Comments Thread For: Roach Rips Ellerbe: All Mayweather Has To Do is Sign!

[thatnickuh]

This is just ******. I come from a family that has produced more than one professional and some very good amateur boxers. Ali was revered in my family (and still is). However, you won't find a single Floyd fan amongst them.

This isn't about your family. The point that I made about Ali is factual, he didn't become beloved until he was debilitated. I'm talking in a general sense, your family doesn't represent America. When Ali was in his prime as a fighter he wasn't universally loved and respected as he is now, he was an even more divisive figure than Mayweather is. A lot of people loved him, even more hated him and tuned in to see him lose. The reason that some people disliked Ali wasn't because he wasn't entertaining in the ring or because his skills as a fighter were questionable, it was because he was a "loudmouth, ****y, arrogant SOB", and it's the same with Mayweather. That was my point.

Everybody respects Floyd's boxing skill. He has a lot of talent. But there is more to being a "fan" of a boxer than recognizing they are skilled.

So what is it that matters more to you than what a boxer does inside the ring? That's the question that I would love for "fans" like you to answer. Ali is supposedly so revered in your family, but he was Mayweather times 10 when it comes to trash-talking and being a loudmouth. Not to mention Ali took political stands that weren't exactly popular, especially to people who would consider themselves "hillbillies".

Here is why nobody can stand Mayweather: He has studiously avoided fighting the best at 147. He fought almost everybody at the lower weights, then fought handpick opponents that he knew he could beat once he got to 147. That is cheating the fan who want to see the best vs. the best. Floyd doesn't care to see the best competition (how else can you explain his decision to fight guys like Hatton (who had just won a BS decision against Luis Collazo and swore he'd never fight at 147 again), Carlos Baldomir (a club fighter at best--but he did have a belt (the Mayweather apologist says)), and Sharmba Mitchell (who was coming off a knockout loss to Kosta Tszyu at a lower weight class).

See this is the petty nonsense that I constanly see Mayweather haters use to justify their hate. None of this has anything to do with what Mayweather does inside the ring. Boxing is a business slash sport and you can't discount the business side just because you don't like or appreciate it. They're called prize-fighters for a reason. Disliking Mayweather for his business decisions without even trying to se/understand where he was coming from in making those decisions is petty and irrational.

His bush league actions (sucker punching Gatti and then Ortiz) haven't helped. Name another "all-time great" that has ever resorted to such bull**** especially in fights against overmatched opponents. You won't be able to because great fighters don't do that bs. Granted, Ortiz was dirty too, but what about Gatti? And, doesn't anybody believe Mayweather needed to sucker punch Ortiz to win? Hell no. If he didn't, why sucker punch him? I personally felt it was the equivalent of stealing money from my pocket (the money I spent on that farce of a PPV).

This is just more petty whiny nonsense thrown out to justify irrational hate. You'd think that a fan of boxing with pro fighters in their family would know and have appreciation for the golden rules of boxing, especially the 1st and most important rule "protect yourself at all times". You call them "sucker-punches" I don't. The fact that you whine on Ortiz's behalf only to say "granted Ortiz was dirty too" as a sidebar says it all. No Ortiz wasn't dirty "too", he was the only one that was dirty. Mayweather did nothing against the rules. Mayweather doesn't play games in the ring and those instances that you refer to only establish that fact. When he's in the ring he's ready to fight, period. You sound silly blaming Mayweather for the Ortiz-fight outcome, you should be upset wih Ortiz. He's the one who was fighting dirty, he's the one who inexplicably had his hands down after the ref said "let's go" and motioned the 2 to fight, and he's the one who didn't get up.

So basically, you've proven my point. There's no rational reason for a true boxing fan to not be a fan of Mayweather(the boxer not the man). Mayweather haters much like Ali haters in the past, can't separate the public persona from the actual boxer who fights in the ring.

[GRUSTLER]

Then how is that Mannys fault? they dont have to sign the fight if you want a shot at the man he has earned the right to negotiate on every level.

So basically your cosigning and acknowledging that Pac has been getting advantages in his favor to win fights and look better than his opponents? One thing I do agree with is that Pac is not to blame because them fools just want the money and don't care about bending over. Ok, more power to Pac but his fans shouldn't continue to go on and praise this dude as the greatest when he has been demanding catchweights and stipulations to help his cause of looking great.

[thatnickuh]

I will never be fan of a prick, even if he's a boxing god.

Mayweather's personnality is just horrible.


Like many people I can'stand that dude, I'm sorry bro, I can't. And it's not related to his skin color, bank account or success. Just his personality, who in my humble is just garbage. I like nice people and Mayweather seems to be the opposite (trashing his father on TV without any kind of pitty) HO and I know, I don't know him personnaly, and HELL I thank god for that.

I don't buy the acting villain stuff..

Exactly. You'd hate Ali even more if you were alive during his prime. You're one of those kind of boxing "fans".

[x3_bazooka_x3]

So basically your cosigning and acknowledging that Pac has been getting advantages in his favor to win fights and look better than his opponents? One thing I do agree with is that Pac is not to blame because them fools just want the money and don't care about bending over. Ok, more power to Pac but his fans shouldn't continue to go on and praise this dude as the greatest when he has been demanding catchweights and stipulations to help his cause of looking great.

I can only acknowledge one fight that gave Manny an advantage and that was De La Hoya, Cotto going down to 145 was not a big deal, Cotto never said it was the weight, Margarito at 150 that wasnt a big deal neither IMO.

The DLH fight was why? cus Oscar hasnt made that weight in years and years had the agreement been at 150 instead I wouldnt have had a problem with that neither as Oscar looked great at 150 with Forbes.

the catch weights can be and have a dramatic effect on a fighter but the two catch weight bouts outside of DLH to me were not any way a factor in how either cotto or Margarito performed in fact Margarito landed more shots on Manny in that fight than any other fighter who has fought Manny since Morales in fight 1.

And IMO Cotto did more physical damage to Manny than any of Mannys opponents since Marquez

[LeadUppercut]

No I'm not denying that Pac gave Mosley a lumpier face but Richardson wanted to stop Floyd from beating Mosley and not Pac. Plus, Mosley was done before he even got in the ring with Manny. Shane was on his way out against both but there is or should be no denying that Floyd got the better Shane. Or what was left. If you really want me to give Pac more credit for his win over Mosley than Floyd. Pac would have had to fight and beat Mosley back in 09 when the fight was supposed to happen.

EXACTLY !!

The fact that Manny ducked Mosley TWICE back when Shane was ranked the #1 welterweight, and only agreed to fight him when it was plainly obvious that Mosley was shot and could no longer pull the trigger..... makes his fanboys whiney b1tches for wanting to give Pacquiao any credit for that win.

Just like with Cotto..... he was well-faded, not on top of his game, highly vulnerable, AND Pacquiao tried to drain him on the scales..... and yet his pig-ignorant fanbase now act like Manny beat prime Cotto and want him to receive full credit for doing so.

They are fkn idiots.

Manny has done nothing but demean his own achievements. He is a joke for regarding himself as an 8 division titlist for beating a faded welterweight bum at 154. Canelo has more credibility than Pacquiao, because Canelo actually fought a JMW.

How could you possibly call a guy great, when his few actual achievements were hollow victories against faded disadvantaged opponents?

[thatnickuh]

I can only acknowledge one fight that gave Manny an advantage and that was De La Hoya, Cotto going down to 145 was not a big deal, Cotto never said it was the weight, Margarito at 150 that wasnt a big deal neither IMO.

If it wasn't a big deal then why did they force him to do it in order to make the fight? Cotto was the champ, obviously he didn't want to have the 145lb catch-weight limit. Pacquiao made thatd emand because he thought that it would benefit him, and Cotto agreed in order to make the fight. You sound silly.

[x3_bazooka_x3]

If it wasn't a big deal then why did they force him to do it in order to make the fight? Cotto was the champ, obviously he didn't want to have the 145lb catch-weight limit. Pacquiao made thatd emand because he thought that it would benefit him, and Cotto agreed in order to make the fight. You sound silly.

it wasnt made a "Big Deal" Cotto and you know it could make that weight safely at that time.

Margarito in the eyes of many deserved to have the worst happen to him so why cry about that?

[Jerub_Baal]

sign the contract floyd........

[LeadUppercut]

I can only acknowledge one fight that gave Manny an advantage and that was De La Hoya, Cotto going down to 145 was not a big deal, Cotto never said it was the weight, Margarito at 150 that wasnt a big deal neither IMO.

The DLH fight was why? cus Oscar hasnt made that weight in years and years had the agreement been at 150 instead I wouldnt have had a problem with that neither as Oscar looked great at 150 with Forbes.

the catch weights can be and have a dramatic effect on a fighter but the two catch weight bouts outside of DLH to me were not any way a factor in how either cotto or Margarito performed in fact Margarito landed more shots on Manny in that fight than any other fighter who has fought Manny since Morales in fight 1.

And IMO Cotto did more physical damage to Manny than any of Mannys opponents since Marquez

When Pacquiao fought Cotto, Miguel had just been destroyed by Margarito and then battered by Clottey. EVERY reputable trainer/reporter/analyst said that Cotto looked shop-worn and well-faded, and that he had been in too many wars.

Cotto was not on top of his game, he had begun to slide, he had no trainer to speak of, and was struggling with problems both in camp and at home relating to a family matter that affected his relationship with head trainer Evan Cotto.

Miguel was not on top of his game, and he most certainly was not in his prime..... plus, Pacquiao tried to drain him on the scales.

Listen to this reporter's take on the subject, shortly after the Clottey fight....

"I wasn’t exactly shocked to see Manny Pacquiao’s name being linked for a fight with Miguel Cotto after the Puerto Rican fighters disappointing performance last Saturday night against Joshua Clottey. As bad as Cotto looked in the fight, and believe me Cotto looked pretty awful, it seemed like a no brainer that Pacquiao would then select him as his next opponent.

But my question is why isn’t Pacquiao going after Shane Mosley or Paul Williams instead? Why the emphasis at fighting Cotto, when he was destroyed by Antonio Margarito last year? It seems to me the much better choice for Pacquiao would be to go after Mosley, since he beat Margarito a few months ago by a 9th round TKO.

Since Margarito has already stopped Cotto, the logical choice for Pacquiao to fight would be Mosley. That’s the bout that Pacquiao should be going after unless he wants to be considered a cherry picker."

Pacquiao saw that Cotto was ripe, so he jumped on him, just like he did with Mosley..... but even the fact that Cotto had faded was not enough of an advantage for Pac..... so he demanded a catch-weight of 145lbs.

A catch-weight, for a title fight..... *** me, that is lame.

Cotto of course, flatly refused. Miguel stated "147 if you want my title, but no-title if you need a catchweight". Of course, Manny demanded a catchweight and the title, it became a sticking point to get the fight made, so Cotto was forced to concede.

But even that was not enough for Pac, he demanded 143, even though his trainer Freddie Roach agreed to 144. Luckily for Miguel he stuck to his guns, or those cherry-picking ****s would have dragged him down to 143lbs.....


Catch-weights.....

There are only two reasons to demand a catch-weight.....

1.) you are not good enough to compete with your opponent at his natural weight

2.) you are attempting to drain your opponent to gain an unfair advantage

Pacquiao tried to drain Cotto, because Manny had already fought at 147.

The 143lb demand was an absolute joke, they really tried to do a number on Cotto. Just because the bullet missed, does not lessen the intent.

Only a nut-hugging fanboy would give Pacquiao any credit for that win.

Lets do Margarito or Mosley, I dare ya ^^

[AFighter4U]

wow bazooka... you've been at this for hours now. your stamina is admirable dude.