Name Euro fighters who were not frauds

[McGoorty]

Thanks
Ill download the fight now

edit:
Is that fight available with English commentary?

I named him earlier, he was very talented and used his tallness well, he had good skills and a long reach. Benvenuti was a 2 weight world champion, one of the best European boxers of them all. I could name 20 really good Brits, that's why I tried to stay on the continent.

[McGoorty]

Which Cerdan fights should I check out

I've only seen one fight with one of the Tiozzi bros it was against McCallum.

Cerdan winning the title from Tony Zale, Marcel was simply awesome in his destruction of one of the hardest champions of all time. It is a great fight, a war from one round to the next.

[Toney616]

I named him earlier, he was very talented and used his tallness well, he had good skills and a long reach. Benvenuti was a 2 weight world champion, one of the best European boxers of them all. I could name 20 really good Brits, that's why I tried to stay on the continent.

Is his fight with Carlos available in English, I can only find it in italian?

[Toney616]

Cerdan winning the title from Tony Zale, Marcel was simply awesome in his destruction of one of the hardest champions of all time. It is a great fight, a war from one round to the next.

Thanks ill look that up

[Pastrano]

Which Cerdan fights should I check out

I've only seen one fight with one of the Tiozzi bros it was against McCallum.

Cerdan vs Zale is an instant classic. However, I've only seen highlights of it on youtube, sadly. Cerdan koed Zale in the 11th round, well he cracked his chin with a sick uppercut in the end of that round and Zale couldn't make it from his stool. Cerdan also knocked out **** Turpin, brother of Randy. As I said, not too many of his fights are available...but some surely are.

Christophe Tiozzo had an unforgettable war with Victor Cordoba, where he got stopped in the 9th. Great fight. Fabrice also beat Eric Lucas and lost a very close decision to Virgil Hill.

[McGoorty]

Is his fight with Carlos available in English, I can only find it in italian?

I bought a Benvenuti video with that fight, it had english over the Italian. I don't know if that's on the tube in english...... still worth watching, but gee, don't those Italian commentators get excited.

[DarkTerror88]

Henry Cooper

[New England]

carl froch has fought THE toughest run of opponents among contemporary boxers in the last three years

pascal (lineal LHW champ later on. )
taylor (former lineal champ at 160. bad style for froch)
dirrell (one of the most purely talented fighters in the game. i had him beating froch)
kessler (former champion, hell of a chin and a rough style for froch with his faster hands)
abraham (had only been exposed once to this point and was still getting picked by some to win. former champion at 160)
johnson (you all know johnsons creds. i don't need to mention them. the guy is a borderline hall of famer. former champion at 175 and fighter of the year)
and soon to be andre ward (maybe the best young fighter on the planet not named nonito donaire)

all in a row. nobody can come close to that. i challenge ( :headband: ) anybody to name one contemporary fighter with a lineup of opponents like that.




he's not fraudulent. he's one of the most honest fighters out there.

he's exactly what he's billed as:

a physically limited fighter who will fight anybody on the planet one after the other, and probably lose to somebody with fast hands and feet and solid boxing skills.



a fraud for me is a protected fighter who is protected because he sucks. keeping him from good comp., then, prolongs the farce. sven ottke is THE eurofraud. everything about that guy drives me to the brink of breaking ****.


some non frauds
cerdan
benvenuti
lewis
fitzsimmons
hamed

[RubenSonny]

I don't think being brothers is an excuse not to fight. It is morally and ethically correct. And their dominance is evident, not so called.

If you considered Lennox Lewis the lineal champion then Vitali winning the same belt he vacated is legitimate. The term lineal title will become more obscure every year. You can bet on that. The boxing business just doesn't care about hardcore fans perception of purism.

Dominating a division becomes much easier with two fighters doing so, I believe their excuse not to fight eachother to be valid but that doesn't make their poor legacies any better. Vitali has never been lineal champ no if or buts about it, and there is no one with sense that would consider him so.

Marcel Cerdan, Georges Carpentier and Marcel Thil are arguably the greatest, in that order. Then come the Tiozzo brothers, Christophe and Fabrice and Laurent Boudouani.

Thil should be rated above Carpentier, in fact Thil isn't that far off from Cerdan.

[deansluk]

László Papp was a triple olympic gold medalist in 2 weight classes and solid pro, jimmy wilde for a lower weight fighter was good , Marcel Cerdan: The Frenchman was never properly beaten in over 100 contests, two losses were by DQ, one was a bad decision and one was due to an injury (LaMotta.) He was world middleweight champion and if he had lived he could have gone down as one of the greatest middleweights ever