Comments Thread For: Roach: Winning Not Enough, Pacquiao Must KO Marquez

[slick23]

Listen, I have NEVER came out and said that Pac was on PEDS. I just always debated if he wasn't, then why he could not accept the tests and what was with all the excuses? Pac is a good fighter but the guys he fought weren't in top form and that should not be denied. Pac has looked dominate but all of the fighters he fought did not have the technical style of JMM and the fact that Pac hasn't been in with a boxer who is a good counter puncher then we don't know how really well he will do against JMM this time around. Pac strengths is when his opponents pressure and iniciates the fight. I always thought that Pac could be out muscled but his speed gives him the advantage. If JMM can find a way to throw Pac off his rhythm then it should be a competitive fight. People are acting like Juan Manuel Marquez has been looking like a washed up fighter since he last fought Pac. Only fight he lost was against Mayweather.

Marquez is a ****ing legend!!! I am always disappointed that he doesn't get more respect, or maybe he does and I'm missing it. Unfortunately I think he gets knocked out in this one. probably around the middle rounds. This weight is just too high for him. When he fought Mayweather, the one thing that stood out to me was the size differential. I thought he might be able to make the fight interesting and adjust to Floyd's speed, but he just couldn't get close enough, hell Floyd walked in at 160 that night. This fight with Pac will be a little different, as both fighters have always been in the same region as far as size goes. That said, Pacquaio has improved and seems to be stronger after moving up. That's not to say Marquez won't have his moments in the fight, I just think he's outgunned this time around.

You mentioned Pac's last few opponents lacking the technical skills to compete with him. Well that sure as hell can't be said about Marquez. At the end I think we'll have more questions than answers as Marquez still hangs at times but eventually gets dropped.

[Fetta]

Marquez has trainers and Dr's to help with weight and keep speed after he says he learned his lesson about moving up in weight against Money and the way i see it if Pac can move up 3 classes in 2-3 years while getting stronger and faster why cant Marquez at least keep his speed and strength.

I think Pac fans in for a surprise.

[GRUSTLER]

Do you think before you talk??? Manny has fought 1 more fight at a catchweight than Floyd and that was to move up, not down. Hatton at the time undefeated and #1 at 140, Clottey #4 WW at the time, Cotto #2 WW at the time, Margarito was a champ at 147 and lost his tittle to the #3 WW, Mosley was #4 WW at the time. So how is beating the Top 5 of your division a bad thing???? Manny has been a WW for a shorter period than Floyd and was able to fight Cotto, Margarito, and Clottey. Guys who have been top 10 WW for the longest... What does Manny have to do to impress you on Nov. 12? State it now so when he does it you won't have an excuse afterwards. Go on record... 5Rd KO, 7 Rd KO??? How can a guy win if you say if he fights this way that will happen and that way that will happen. If you put that out there, if its a tough fight you'll say see I told you so and If Manny KOs him in 4 Rd you'll say well he fought the other way. You can't lose either way. Go on record and state what Manny's has to do to impress you?

Floyd Mayweather Jr has only fought 1 catchweight fight and that was against Marquez. Manny Pacquiao fought 1 at WW, 1 at JW and now another at WW. That's 3. Manny fought Cotto at a 145 catchweight AFTER he fought Oscar at 147.

[FloydTBE]

roach said same thing about shane, n ko never happened

[tatangb45]

Marquez is a ****ing legend!!! I am always disappointed that he doesn't get more respect, or maybe he does and I'm missing it. Unfortunately I think he gets knocked out in this one. probably around the middle rounds. This weight is just too high for him. When he fought Mayweather, the one thing that stood out to me was the size differential. I thought he might be able to make the fight interesting and adjust to Floyd's speed, but he just couldn't get close enough, hell Floyd walked in at 160 that night. This fight with Pac will be a little different, as both fighters have always been in the same region as far as size goes. That said, Pacquaio has improved and seems to be stronger after moving up. That's not to say Marquez won't have his moments in the fight, I just think he's outgunned this time around.

You mentioned Pac's last few opponents lacking the technical skills to compete with him. Well that sure as hell can't be said about Marquez. At the end I think we'll have more questions than answers as Marquez still hangs at times but eventually gets dropped.

Almost everything you posted are acceptable except the "The weight is just too high for him."
For the past several years, Marquez has been coming in on fight night at 140+ lbs.. His real comfort zone is within that range. Pac's comfort zone is only about 3 lbs. higher. Everything else are almost equal. Keep in mind that JMM won his last fights weighing above 140 lbs. and the guys he fought weighed in the same range.

When people say that JMM shouldn't be fighting Pac at WW, they wrongly equate this by assuming that he will be facing a bigger guy. That is farthest from the truth. This coming fight is evenly matched. When people say that Marquez does not belong in the WW division, they are rightly assuming that JMM is too small to be fighting bigger and taller guys who will re-hydrate to over 155 lbs., like in the Floyd's case. However, that will not be the case when he faces Manny.

[GRUSTLER]

Marquez is a ****ing legend!!! I am always disappointed that he doesn't get more respect, or maybe he does and I'm missing it. Unfortunately I think he gets knocked out in this one. probably around the middle rounds. This weight is just too high for him. When he fought Mayweather, the one thing that stood out to me was the size differential. I thought he might be able to make the fight interesting and adjust to Floyd's speed, but he just couldn't get close enough, hell Floyd walked in at 160 that night. This fight with Pac will be a little different, as both fighters have always been in the same region as far as size goes. That said, Pacquaio has improved and seems to be stronger after moving up. That's not to say Marquez won't have his moments in the fight, I just think he's outgunned this time around.

You mentioned Pac's last few opponents lacking the technical skills to compete with him. Well that sure as hell can't be said about Marquez. At the end I think we'll have more questions than answers as Marquez still hangs at times but eventually gets dropped.

Manny Pacquiao is not knocking Juan Manuel Marquez out. The only way to see how much Pac has improved is to watch them fight in November.

[BABYBOXER]

What, more pathetic than ducking Marquez for 3 years, then noticing that he looked old, fat, and slow, at welter..... and subsequently "conceding" a catch-weight that you have never made yourself?

Get a grip you clown.

A catch-weight is where two fighters meet at middle-ground in order to ensure a fairer contest, and Manny recently admitted that his best fighting weight is 140..... so why the *** is that fight happening at welter?

That coward Pacquiao is dragging Marquez as far away from his comfort zone as possible, he could not have disadvantaged Marquez more than he has, just like it says here.....

" However, this fight only makes sense to me if it takes place at junior welterweight (and I would hope Marquez would weigh-in under 140 pounds). Why Pacquiao and company refuse to even consider fighting Marquez at 140 pounds (instead of the 144 or 147 they stipulate) is a very good question. The answer is obvious: they want every conceivable advantage against their aging but still-dangerous nemesis ".....


What a fkn hype-job that clown is.

the last i checked, the fight is for wbo ww belt, you cant fight that at 140, right? jmm got nothing to loose in this fight.
jmm is given the opportunity for the highest pay of his life, chance to beat manny for his legacy and the rematch he is begging for for the last few years. why are you still complaining?

quit the hate, bro...just enjoy what the boxing world has to offer...your arguments are annoying already..we all know that you are PED and weight expert...

[LeadUppercut]

the last i checked, the fight is for wbo ww belt, you cant fight that at 140, right? jmm got nothing to loose in this fight.
jmm is given the opportunity for the highest pay of his life, chance to beat manny for his legacy and the rematch he is begging for for the last few years. why are you still complaining?

quit the hate, bro...just enjoy what the boxing world has to offer...your arguments are annoying already..we all know that you are PED and weight expert...

Well, you are just an " excuse ", and " protection ", expert.

Why the *** would a truly great fighter need one of those ?

And in order to consider Pacquiao a great, you must have been making those excuses for a very long time now, because his last 8 opponents have not been live dogs.

The fact is that Marquez is a lightweight who has already proven that he cant hang at welter, just like most Pacquiao fans have proven that they cant hang here. The fact that Marquez will take that fight when he is clearly disadvantaged just goes to show you how truly great a fighter he is..... Marquez is doing exactly what Pacquiao failed to do at JMW, and at welter for that matter.

Pacquiao would not fight a live Cotto or Mosley at welter, and yet JMM will jump TWO divisions and walk into a clear mismatch.

Attempting to justify that fight is pretty lame imho.

[BABYBOXER]

Well, you are just an " excuse ", and " protection ", expert.

Why the *** would a truly great fighter need one of those ?

And in order to consider Pacquiao a great, you must have been making those excuses for a very long time now, because his last 8 opponents have not been live dogs.

The fact is that Marquez is a lightweight who has already proven that he cant hang at welter, just like most Pacquiao fans have proven that they cant hang here. The fact that Marquez will take that fight when he is clearly disadvantaged just goes to show you how truly great a fighter he is..... Marquez is doing exactly what Pacquiao failed to do at JMW, and at welter for that matter.

Pacquiao would not fight a live Cotto or Mosley at welter, and yet JMM will jump TWO divisions and walk into a clear mismatch.

Attempting to justify that fight is pretty lame imho.

yeah, i can read you...

do you think it's a different situation when miguel cotto put his belt on the line to fight manny at catch weight? manny was the smaller fighter and i really admire miguel for giving a fair fight since he is naturally bigger.

manny and jmm got the same body frame, i don't see any advantage or disadvantage, they could come to fight at their comfortable weight.

this is jmm's biggest pay, and 'am happy for him, he's a boxing legend and he deserves it before he retires. he got nothing to loose, it's a win-win situation for him, especially if he beats manny. many posters here are saying that jmm is manny's kryptonite because of his skills, that makes the fight more interesting. manny's power against jmm's skills..anything can happen, don't you think so?..

but honestly, i respect your opinion...you're a good poster but sometimes you go beyond the limit that some posters think you're a hater....you can do better than that...

[acidity]

Come Pac fans! Jump on this bus! Pac should destroy JMM very very very very very very very very very very very very very EARLY! The Pac will have NO problems with this LW!

EASY EASY EASY FIGHT!

That is funny, I swear I heard that easy, easy fight before and yet he ain't fighting the easy fight.

At least, pac is fighting the easy easy fight, right?