Comments Thread For: Evander Holyfield Gives His Take on Mayweather-Ortiz

[Mercdoc98]

reply to Evander's reaction. Thank you Evander for saying what needed to be said. Coming from somebody who epitomized true warrior class and dignity that says volumes. That should be classed a "no contest" with a mandatory rematch. Such a classless way to win is unworthy of a champion. I know you would not want to win that way and that's why you are an all time great and Floyd will never be. Evander take over boxing and clean it up man! This incredible sport is being over run by low class people. Impose your high standard on it! No sissy's. no cheap shot artists, an only TRUE warriors. They wonder why people are flocking to MMA???? what's the use of a boxing commission if not to step in here and say "this is not right and needs to be fixed" Evander please save boxing!!!!!!

[-Kev-]

I respect what Holyfield said but the writer of the article is full of **** and is full of bias, trying to make Ortiz look like a saint.

How you say first of all, that Ortiz headbutted Mayweather and got a point taken away.Say it right, say Ortiz "intentionally" headbutted Mayweather, intentional foul, not just a innocent little "headbutt".

Then he follows it up with some more bullshit, saying that when Ortiz tried to apologize Floyd and ask forgiveness, that Floyd knocked him out. Hello you are a ****ing writer for the best boxing website, say more details, like for example, Ortiz and Floyd tapped gloves/hugges THREE times before the last one. Ortiz asked for forgiveness a total of 3 times, and in the 4th time was when Floyd finally knocked him out with the "cheap shot". Who ever didn't see the fight, and didn't know what exactly happened, and would read this, would think Ortiz is an angel from the sky and that Floyd was the one who started all of the dirty games in the fight, when it was the opposite.

Damn, Boxingscene, get some more neutral writers like Cliff Rold and Jake Donovan.

[jimmy1569]

Evander called it right... sometimes if you feel you've been wronged with a headbutt.... you feel like you have to get revenge for the misdeamanor... part of it had to with Floyd ALSO not accepting the apology as sincere & i think was getting aggravated with the over apologies & the hugs & kisses.. when one does too much & takes it to the extreme to say i;m sorry...sometimes the other party takes it as illegit & this person can't be trusted. I think Floyd felt justified in doing what he did.. otherwise he wouldn't have done it.. It's basically i'll do you one better... i'll knock you out when you're not ready to fight & defend... part of that was Floyd putting him at ease by acknowledging the touch of gloves & repeated apology..

If he hadn't done that.. Ortiz would've been defensive & alert while backing away.. instead he looked away becasuse he assumed Floyd wasn't still mad at him after the apology & let's face it.. dude was seeking Floyd's approval with all those i'm sorry's because he felt disgraced & got caught in an emotional breakdown with the obvious headbutt..


He had to have Floyd's forgiveness before he could continue fighting as if to erase the illegal headbutt a few moments earlier.. Regardless.. Floyd took matters into his own hands & had the same menace & the same disregard for his opponent at that point as Tyson had when he bit off a piece of Holy's ear...Only difference is the mentality of winning. Floyd was having his way..


Mike wasn't.... the revenge factor was similar.. both waited when there opponent had there guard down to commit the acts... only Floyd's boxing crime was legal & i don't care what anyone says.. you hit someone when they're ABSOLUTELY not expecting to get hit.. you've committed a boxing crime.. Floyd didn't even give him a chance to back up & reset.. he immediately started throwing... the left should've been enough...to get your point across that it's "ON" now.. the right hand bomb when he's looking for the ref to acknowledge the dirty left.... was Floyd seeing the second opportunity..


He was IMO just planning to throw the left to get his attention but hit the goldmine when Ortiz looked at the ref instead of retaliating for the cheap shot... all in all this coincides with Floyd's personality & how he conducts business outside of the ring.. ventually the true colors come out inside of the ring.

[jimmy1569]

& people please stop.... boxing matches are NOT won in this manner... PROTECT yourself at all times... just a bunch of bs to justify Mayweather's wrong doing...


Just Like FlOYD had NO chance to "protect himself at all times" when the flying headbutt came his way.... ORTIZ had virtually no chance to stop Floyd's UNEXPECTED punches from close quarters as his opponent is backing up to restart the rd.. the ref is there for a reason & basically Floyd A,LSO saw that Cortez wasn't ready either.. SO BOTH the other fighter & the ref weren't in proper position to ref the action & ORTIZ ..not in proper position to defend..

& Let's cut the bs... if a fighter wants to hit his opponent when he doesn't have his guard up... he has a few instances to do so during a fight where there's a lull in the action... any fighter would' HAVE not been defending themselves at the exact same time after acknowledging gloves.. albeit it was under extreme circumstances as Ortiz was looking to apologize instead of starting the rd again normally. Your opponent toook the time to come over to you to apologize... you can acknowledge it or you can disregard it... give him the chance to back away from you.. he obviously wasn't going to throw a punch at you in that instance... acknowledge the apology & then use it as deception to take advantage of Ortiz after you helped & or tricked him into keeping his guard low... it's an ambush & it's low....



& Floyd can talk alll the **** he wants.. at the end of the day.. he knows what he did..was something you only should do if it's necessary with enemy as all bets are off... you're fighting in a sport... both getting paid to box.. an opponent doesn't come into the ring with his hands held low once the opening rd starts. he HOLDS THEM UP all THE TIME WHEN ACTION IS IN UNTIL THE END OF THE FIGHT..... NO EXCEPTIONS... I COULD UNDERSTAND HITTING AFTER THE BELL WITH ONE OR 2 KO BLOWS... that's happened before as you're in the heat of battle... HERE... there was no fighting going on yet... MONEY clearly knew his opponent was not in fighting mode yet & WOULD be in a few seconds after he went back...


he knew HE was taking shots on someone who hasn't yet taken a fighting stance to continue the rd after time was called.. ANY fighter CAN KO someone if they're not dfending.. SO FOR fLOYD to gloat about that & acknowledging he did NOTHING wrong is beyond pathetic.. he knows what he did was shady but to admit it is to take responsibility for his actions... He'll use the excuse of headbutt for the rest of his life to justify he was in the right.. What Money did was basically what a vigilante does to exact revenge by taking matters into his own hands... but instead of letting the court system handle it... in this case it's the ref.... the vigilante kills the criminal... Floyd killed Ortiz On saturday night... same difference!

[jvsnypes]

This is a bull**** thread! Sportsmanship??? Dude, have you ever been hit by a headbutt? It doesn't tickle. When Ortiz decided to take it there, then sportsmanship was thrown out the window!!!What was Ortiz's intentions? Because he got a point taken away justifies his actions and retaliation isn't warrented? He was trying to head butt him from the 1st round on. When a man receives a busted mouth from an illegal tactic, at that point is he thinking about sportsmanship or being a role model? These guys enter this sport as warriors. Some only make it to ballroom fighting while others become legends of the sport. But they all come in the sport as warriors.When you're in the ring, you don't operate as a champion, you are operating off of being either a brawling warrior or a skilled warrior, but you are still a warrior.That was a ***** move on Ortiz's part. You are under the big lights in a main event championship fight and you are fighting like its in the smokey ballrooms.What was the purpose of the headbutting? Is that the way a CHAMPION is suppose to fight? Remember, Ortiz was the defending champ. You people are hypocrites. You hate to see a black man talk **** and be flashy then go out and dominate his profession. So now Floyd's the thug and cheap shot artist? You people are clowns and its a shame in 2011 you still have this type of hatred towards other people. If Manny was the one retaliating or if it was Ortiz retaliating, you would applaud it. This is why the world is so ****ed up. It is so evident on these sites. We still live in a racist world. Floyd could have gotten a bad cut or a broken nose, but Ortiz is the victim??? Only thing left to say is WOW!!!

[jvsnypes]

& people please stop.... boxing matches are NOT won in this manner... PROTECT yourself at all times... just a bunch of bs to justify Mayweather's wrong doing...


Just Like FlOYD had NO chance to "protect himself at all times" when the flying headbutt came his way.... ORTIZ had virtually no chance to stop Floyd's UNEXPECTED punches from close quarters as his opponent is backing up to restart the rd.. the ref is there for a reason & basically Floyd A,LSO saw that Cortez wasn't ready either.. SO BOTH the other fighter & the ref weren't in proper position to ref the action & ORTIZ ..not in proper position to defend..

& Let's cut the bs... if a fighter wants to hit his opponent when he doesn't have his guard up... he has a few instances to do so during a fight where there's a lull in the action... any fighter would' HAVE not been defending themselves at the exact same time after acknowledging gloves.. albeit it was under extreme circumstances as Ortiz was looking to apologize instead of starting the rd again normally. Your opponent toook the time to come over to you to apologize... you can acknowledge it or you can disregard it... give him the chance to back away from you.. he obviously wasn't going to throw a punch at you in that instance... acknowledge the apology & then use it as deception to take advantage of Ortiz after you helped & or tricked him into keeping his guard low... it's an ambush & it's low....



& Floyd can talk alll the **** he wants.. at the end of the day.. he knows what he did..was something you only should do if it's necessary with enemy as all bets are off... you're fighting in a sport... both getting paid to box.. an opponent doesn't come into the ring with his hands held low once the opening rd starts. he HOLDS THEM UP all THE TIME WHEN ACTION IS IN UNTIL THE END OF THE FIGHT..... NO EXCEPTIONS... I COULD UNDERSTAND HITTING AFTER THE BELL WITH ONE OR 2 KO BLOWS... that's happened before as you're in the heat of battle... HERE... there was no fighting going on yet... MONEY clearly knew his opponent was not in fighting mode yet & WOULD be in a few seconds after he went back...


he knew HE was taking shots on someone who hasn't yet taken a fighting stance to continue the rd after time was called.. ANY fighter CAN KO someone if they're not dfending.. SO FOR fLOYD to gloat about that & acknowledging he did NOTHING wrong is beyond pathetic.. he knows what he did was shady but to admit it is to take responsibility for his actions... He'll use the excuse of headbutt for the rest of his life to justify he was in the right.. What Money did was basically what a vigilante does to exact revenge by taking matters into his own hands... but instead of letting the court system handle it... in this case it's the ref.... the vigilante kills the criminal... Floyd killed Ortiz On saturday night... same difference!

If you noticed, Floyd's hands were up. Also, look at his facial expression. Ortiz is suppose to be a pro. Didn't he see this enraged man standing in front of him with his hands up? Why was his hands down? He already apologized. But my question is why did he apologize? If you look back, not only did he throw an intentional headbutt, but he threw 2 punches afterward when Floyd was no longer protecting himself. Just go back and watch it in slow motion. How do you explain that? And then he immediately wants to apologize??? Would Ali, Robinson, or Leonard have done that??? These guys are fighters not politicians. They show emotion and they react.Well, Ortiz realized he was not in the same league as Floyd, got frustrated, then those unprofessional antics were his reaction. In return, he got KO'd for being too dumb to realize that the man he just fouled his capable of reacting as well. When Ortiz got hit with the 1st left hook, he looked at the ref instead of defending himself. It was the right hand that KO'd him. Ortiz was trying to headbutt Floyd from the start of the fight. Last time I checked, headbutting was illegal in boxing and a left hook/right hand combo was legal. Ortiz lost because he still thinks like an amateur and Floyd is the ultimate pro. Floyd took advantage of the situation at hand. I would have rather watched him break Ortiz down then KO him. But, because of the headbutt, we got what we got!

[gquezvas]

You guys defending Mayweather are a bunch of front runners. Your trying to justify a full on combo to a guy looking at the ref to a mere head butt from 3 inches away? Come one guys what the hell are you guys thinking? Mayweather landed plenty elbows himself and no one is crying about those fouls. You guys are so one sided this can't even be argue'd with anyone in a realistic manner. All of you want to keep saying Ortiz was dirty for landing a head butt but want to give a pass to Mayweather for his ***** move. I say both got dirty but you will never admit it. I bet most of you also defended Mike Tyson when he bit Holfield's ear off. Something about Mayweather's fansbase seems they have no idea of fair play. If Mayweather would have done this in the real world he would have another assault charge. Maybe you guys a ****** and it's a ****** thing. You know win at all cost or the get back mentality.
To all the boxers who keep defending Mayweather and keep saying, " I would have done that too" are full of **** themselves. Especially black fighters who like to talk after the fact. A video on youtube shows Alexander saying this same thing. As I remember he did nothing when he was getting blitz by Bradley head shots.
By the way Keep your hand up at all times is not a rule. It's a suggestion. A ref keeping his head in the fight and eyes in the ring are rules.

[gquezvas]

If you noticed, Floyd's hands were up. Also, look at his facial expression. Ortiz is suppose to be a pro. Didn't he see this enraged man standing in front of him with his hands up? Why was his hands down? He already apologized. But my question is why did he apologize? If you look back, not only did he throw an intentional headbutt, but he threw 2 punches afterward when Floyd was no longer protecting himself. Just go back and watch it in slow motion. How do you explain that? And then he immediately wants to apologize??? Would Ali, Robinson, or Leonard have done that??? These guys are fighters not politicians. They show emotion and they react.Well, Ortiz realized he was not in the same league as Floyd, got frustrated, then those unprofessional antics were his reaction. In return, he got KO'd for being too dumb to realize that the man he just fouled his capable of reacting as well. When Ortiz got hit with the 1st left hook, he looked at the ref instead of defending himself. It was the right hand that KO'd him. Ortiz was trying to headbutt Floyd from the start of the fight. Last time I checked, headbutting was illegal in boxing and a left hook/right hand combo was legal. Ortiz lost because he still thinks like an amateur and Floyd is the ultimate pro. Floyd took advantage of the situation at hand. I would have rather watched him break Ortiz down then KO him. But, because of the headbutt, we got what we got!

Dude you keep making excuses for Floyd. Stop it. It was a ***** move nothing more to say. All the excuses in the world doesn't make it right. Seems typical of Floyd's type of fans to always point the finger somewhere else. We can only be held to what we do. You know ****ing your brothers wife if not illegal but it's also not right. Only a piece of sh_t would do something like that. Keeping your hands up at all times is not a rule, it's a suggestion. The ref wasn't looking and should have been called a no contest. What Vic did was not cool as well but damn you can't compare a head shot from 3 inches away to a full on attack from a real fighter. Stop pointing the finger at Vic to justify what Mayweather did.
Floyd's hands were not up when this happened. When Ortiz was in front of him looking at him he hugged too but as soon as Floyd saw Vic turn to see what the ref was doing thats when Floyd landed his shots. Stopping making excuses and don't ever mention Ali in the same sentence as Mayweather.

[Steven Adams]

head butters unite!!!! GTFOH evander

[Steven Adams]

You guys defending Mayweather are a bunch of front runners. Your trying to justify a full on combo to a guy looking at the ref to a mere head butt from 3 inches away? Come one guys what the hell are you guys thinking? Mayweather landed plenty elbows himself and no one is crying about those fouls. You guys are so one sided this can't even be argue'd with anyone in a realistic manner. All of you want to keep saying Ortiz was dirty for landing a head butt but want to give a pass to Mayweather for his ***** move. I say both got dirty but you will never admit it. I bet most of you also defended Mike Tyson when he bit Holfield's ear off. Something about Mayweather's fansbase seems they have no idea of fair play. If Mayweather would have done this in the real world he would have another assault charge. Maybe you guys a ****** and it's a ****** thing. You know win at all cost or the get back mentality.
To all the boxers who keep defending Mayweather and keep saying, " I would have done that too" are full of **** themselves. Especially black fighters who like to talk after the fact. A video on youtube shows Alexander saying this same thing. As I remember he did nothing when he was getting blitz by Bradley head shots.
By the way Keep your hand up at all times is not a rule. It's a suggestion. A ref keeping his head in the fight and eyes in the ring are rules.

nobody told ortiz to look at the ref.. he was a ***** and wanted a way out.. everyone who fights knows not to take your eye off your opponent. and fuuck fair play in boxing.. its a fight