"Where was Pacquiao in 1996-2001 when I was dominating the game?" PBF

[charlieg]

But it had zero effect on Oscar...right, *******?

I'm not a ******* you pathetic individual.

Pathetic attempt to troll too. I never said weight draining had zero effect on Oscar*. Obviously you can't debate or discuss facts because you don't have the mental capacity for it, so instead you resort to trying to change the discussion.

* Oscar was weight drained and the victory was hollow. I never said otherwise. However this is all hindsight. Many experts picked De La Hoya to win that one. Personally I don't think Oscar wins even at 154 though. Too old, too slow. Even in his prime it'd be a struggle. His combative style is the type of fight Pacquiao relishes, he'd do what he did to Mosley.

At least Nature Boy did some research before trying to derail the discussion by suggesting Pacquiao's success at the lower weights was partly down to him ducking fighters. It was still a troll, but I respect him for being intelligent about it and sparking a debate about something interesting.

You on the other hand are just a d*ckhead, likely fondling your flabby belly, wallowing in a sweat pit whilst you surf for **** and spew bile on internet forums because the real world is ****ty to you.

[Gino Ros]

I'm a ******* and a pathetic individual.


* Oscar was weight drained and the victory was hollow.

I agree on both points, you little f@ggot midget.

[charlieg]

Stop kissing Manny's ass, and tell us who those fighter are and what they have accomplished?

If you don't know what the hell your talking about because you only came here after reading Boxingrec, then say that. I don't need to look at Manny's record, because I've been following the sport a lot longer than 1996 to know who was doing what.

FYI

Toshiaki Nishioka craps on any of Manny's first 40 victims.

The thing about the lowest categories is that they are not deep divisions. There are very few guys that are that small. The fact that Nishioka and Sahaprom met 4 times is a big indication of that.

You are right, the majority of my knowledge of these guys is coming from boxrec, but records don't lie. The vast majority of fights for Sahaprom have been against guys with very weak - often losing - records. It just does not lend credence to your assertions that he'd own Pacquiao. Whilst Pacquiao was busy winning a 2nd world title in 2001 and "dodging" Sahaprom, the Thai was stepping in to the ring with a guy with a 0-7-0 record. I mean, come on...

Guys get criticized for fighting at home all the time and their level of opposition. Calzaghe, Chris John, they get criticized for it - and they're average standard of opposition is far higher than the standard that Sahaprom regularly faced. Unless you can provide some evidence other than an observation that Pacquiao skipped a weight class - having just lost due to severe weight drain problems - then your argument carries no weight. There's no quotes, nothing anecdotal, just what you reckon. And even worse for your point, it goes against the precedent Pacquiao set throughout his career - fighting Sasakul at 2 weeks notice, beating the likes of Lehlohonolo Ledwaba and Jorge Eliecer Julio, both respected super bantamweights, before stepping in with Barrera, a ring legend in his prime at 29 years of age.

Other than declaring Sahaprom the king of his weight class - at a weight where there's very little competition - you've actually said nothing of any meaning.

If Sahaprom was so good, why did he never step up to super bantamweight for tougher fights instead of fighting 0-7-0 novice bums?

Nishioka seemed to get better with age and was a natural 122lber. He was nowhere when Pacquiao was down that low.

[charlieg]

I agree on both points, I've got a little **** and I'm a f@ggot midget.

FTFY.

[The Nature Boy]

The thing about the lowest categories is that they are not deep divisions. There are very few guys that are that small. The fact that Nishioka and Sahaprom met 4 times is a big indication of that.

You are right, the majority of my knowledge of these guys is coming from boxrec, but records don't lie. The vast majority of fights for Sahaprom have been against guys with very weak - often losing - records. It just does not lend credence to your assertions that he'd own Pacquiao. Whilst Pacquiao was busy winning a 2nd world title in 2001 and "dodging" Sahaprom, the Thai was stepping in to the ring with a guy with a 0-7-0 record. I mean, come on...

Guys get criticized for fighting at home all the time and their level of opposition. Calzaghe, Chris John, they get criticized for it - and they're average standard of opposition is far higher than the standard that Sahaprom regularly faced. Unless you can provide some evidence other than an observation that Pacquiao skipped a weight class - having just lost due to severe weight drain problems - then your argument carries no weight. There's no quotes, nothing anecdotal, just what you reckon. And even worse for your point, it goes against the precedent Pacquiao set throughout his career - fighting Sasakul at 2 weeks notice, beating the likes of Lehlohonolo Ledwaba and Jorge Eliecer Julio, both respected super bantamweights, before stepping in with Barrera, a ring legend in his prime at 29 years of age.

Other than declaring Sahaprom the king of his weight class - at a weight where there's very little competition - you've actually said nothing of any meaning.

If Sahaprom was so good, why did he never step up to super bantamweight for tougher fights instead of fighting 0-7-0 novice bums?

Nishioka seemed to get better with age and was a natural 122lber. He was nowhere when Pacquiao was down that low.

Never said Deathmask would own Manny, but Manny conveniently avoided him to fight for a vacant belt. Toshiaki Nishioka retained his belt defeating Marquez by the way, so it should be reflected that Pacquiao's achievements even at weights below 126 were due to selective matchmaking, and considered opportunistic at best. Far from great.

[straightleft]

Never said Deathmask would own Manny, but Manny conveniently avoided him to fight for a vacant belt. Toshiaki Nishioka retained his belt defeating Marquez by the way, so it should be reflected that Pacquiao's achievements even at weights below 126 were due to selective matchmaking, and considered opportunistic at best. Far from great.

Chatchai Sasakul reign at Flyweight nowhere near the reign of Sahaprom, and Manny got KO'D the very next fight.

The Lehlohonolo Ledwaba fight was in 2001, and the fight took place after Floyd destroyed Diego Corrales and was 2 fights away from cleaning out the 130 division.

Jorge Eliecer Julio was already shot, but nice try.

Certainly you are a clown and have no idea about Pacquiao in lower weight classes other than trolling here.

Pac after winning his WBC belt against the linear champ Sasakul, he defended in it 2 times before losing it at the scale against Singsurat. After that, he learned quickly that his growing body can no longer compete at 112 without endangering his health and affecting his performance. So he decided to fight at 122, by passing the 115 and 118 division. If you think Pac was ducking the 115 or 118 fighters in favor of 122 fighters is ridiculous. Now let us take a look at these 122 fighters Pac fought before he battered Barrera into submission.

Emmanuel Lucero 21-0-1 TKO 3, undefeated
Fahprakorb Rakkiatgym 37-2-0 TKO 1
Jorge Eliecer Julio 44-3-0 TKO 2, former WBO and WBA champ
Agapito Sanchez 31-9-2 Draw, WBO champ
Lehlohonolo Ledwaba 33-1-1 KO 6, IBF champ
Wethya Sakmuangklang 41-3-0 KO 6
Tetsutora Senrima 19-4-3 TKO 5
Nedal Hussein 19-0-0 TKO 10, undefeated
Seung-Kon Chae 23-0-0 TKO 1, undefeated
Arnel Barotillo 22-9-3 TKO 4
Reynante Jamili 41-5-0 TKO 2