"Andre Berto is a slick African American fighter who Manny is ducking"

[V.WEBB]

and please do the same with me...

And I will.

a fighter with stamina issues and is a sucker for straight lefts? i WANTED that fight since day 1...Berto was a trainwreck waiting to happen against someone elite

As I said and maintained, I thought that he could present something different for Manny than the recent choices of opponents. That was always my argument, did I think he would win? Of course not.

glad to see Victor emerge to that level and do the job that PAC would have

Yes, I know. Not sure if we talked directly, but I kept telling people that I thought that Vic was going to surprise us. I'm waiting to catch the replay now.

[ThePrince]

I never said that now he was shot, old, etc. YOU brought that by yourself. I was hinting that he had just lost, therefore, he fits the bill to get a Manny fight. I think he is still a good fighter that has things he needs to work on. And I've NEVER called him slick, NOR said that Manny was ducking him so try that with some other poster. What I have said is that he would present something different for Manny than the same guys he's been facing and that Manny should be facing him INSTEAD of Shane. Those are the things, I HAVE said.

What the hell does Berto do that Mosley doesn't do better? What is that 'something different' that he brings to the ring? Dude is a conventional fighter with some speed and power, aka a poor man's Shane Mosley with no chin or heart. And his stamina looks like it's worse than Shane's. **** outta here.

[Bushbaby]

Before last night,Berto should have been Pacman's next assignment.It's that simple,not Mosley who hasn't won a fight in 2 years.*******s have misinterpreted the entire argument & have made up ****.Not many people really believed that Berto would beat Pacman,but beating Berto would have unified 147 & that would have ended any talk about Pacman beating fighters that have come off recent bad losses.He would have beaten an undefeated black fighter,(though not slick).But all that is over with because Ortiz did what Pacman didn't,(which is take Berto's 0.Taking Berto's 0 is greater than beating a 40 year old Mosley winless in 2 years.That was the argument.Not that Berto actually beats Pacman.

[V.WEBB]

I am a little upset that Victor Ortiz was the one to show us what league Berto is really in, rather than a Pacquiao six round obliteration in a month doing it.

As I just told Mak, I kept posting that I thought that Vic was going to surprise us.

[iNDOLiFER]

^^^ maybe berto is a lil more slicker than mosley?? maybe thats the different? LOL..

[bojangles1987]

As I just told Mak, I kept posting that I thought that Vic was going to surprise us.

Seeing how both Collazo and Quintana did against Berto I knew if Ortiz was back to his pre-Maidana mentality he could definitely beat Berto. So while I'm not sure he's all the way back I am glad he was good enough to beat Berto's ass. Boxing fans should be grateful.

[Khalid X]

What the hell does Berto do that Mosley doesn't do better? What is that 'something different' that he brings to the ring? Dude is a conventional fighter with some speed and power, aka a poor man's Shane Mosley with no chin or heart. And his stamina looks like it's worse than Shane's. **** outta here.

Not trying to flame.....but I'm trying to figure that out as well.

Dude has no defense, doesn't move his head, doesn't put punches together and I just can't see what he doesn't bring that we haven't seen in a black fighter.

My only guesses are that

1. He is black and undefeated (was)

2. He hugs (can't even call that **** clinching as he does nothing on the inside).

[V.WEBB]

What the hell does Berto do that Mosley doesn't do better? What is that 'something different' that he brings to the ring? Dude is a conventional fighter with some speed and power, aka a poor man's Shane Mosley with no chin or heart. And his stamina looks like it's worse than Shane's. **** outta here.

Shane ain't won a fight in two years, dude. You get out of here.

[iNDOLiFER]

Before last night,Berto should have been Pacman's next assignment.It's that simple,not Mosley who hasn't won a fight in 2 years.*******s have misinterpreted the entire argument & have made up ****.Not many people really believed that Berto would beat Pacman,but beating Berto would have unified 147 & that would have ended any talk about Pacman beating fighters that have come off recent bad losses.He would have beaten an undefeated black fighter,(though not slick).But all that is over with because Ortiz did what Pacman didn't,(which is take Berto's 0.Taking Berto's 0 is greater than beating a 40 year old Mosley winless in 2 years.That was the argument.Not that Berto actually beats Pacman.

but i thought u guys said berto is not black after he lost last night? lol..

[ThePrince]

Shane ain't won a fight in two years, dude. You get out of here.

Will do chief, as soon as you tell me A) What Berto does that's 'something different' that Manny hasn't seen B) What Berto does that Mosley doesn't do better.

Take your time.