The Punishers awoken & ready for April 30

[Walt Liquor]

I wouldn't agree that once he got stopped his career is over, but i'd have to say that once the playbook has been made for how to beat a fighter, other fighters can follow that book.

For example, Marg let the world know how to beat Cotto, Pac followed that blueprint. The difference is that Cotto is actually going out of his way to work with guys that can help him improve his game.

Quintana(who is, if i'm not mistaken 5`10 not 8 and a half) showed the world how to beat Williams and Martinez perfected it. Sadly, instead of trying to better himself as a boxer he'd rather drop back down to a weight where, to be 100% honest, his physical attributes, not skill are what make him a threat.

so pac took so many punches to the face that cotto got tired, like margs did?

I would say that shane was the first to show a way to beat cotto.

as far as the bold, unless he changes something trainer-wise, his physical attributes and style will always make him a threat. martinez couldn't do it in their first fight and there's not a lot of guys who can do what martinez does or did in their second fight. pwill is what he is, he's NEVER going to be sergio or some superlatively skilled fighter like you seem to be shi tting on him for not being. That ain't him. he's a fighter, he likes to fight, he likes to fight the best, he doesn't like to step back.

i don't know what your problem is with this guy but pwill is a flawed fighter, so ***n what? so is cotto...so is gatti, so is juanma...he got bombed out. but he's exciting to watch, makes for GREAT action fights, fights good to excellent challenges, and generally behaves like a real fighter, not a businessman who tries to get over on the fans by taking the easy way out (that is FACT).

how is going to ww not trying to better himself as a boxer? he can fight at ww allegedly. he's been fighting OVER his weight class.

[mrlopez]

Was just checking out ring.tv & come across an article regarding the possible return date for Williams, Goossen is lookin at April 30 & against a 'significant' HBO level opponent & not a soft touch. Fight will probably take place at 147.

Interesting to see Williams & his trainer are going with the lucky punch theory aswell...

I heard awhile back that the opponent would be Cintron....

[» HE3R0 «]

howbout 140?

That'd be a sight to see. He'd be a bag of sticks with gloves on.

He needs to forget about 147 and just remember to keep his hands up.

Train with his right hand tied to his head or something.

[jrosales13]

I would like to see P-Will set up shop at 154. I think that's the perfect weight-class for him...And, fight like a Cory Spinks in his first fight back. A guy who doesn't have the legs anymore to move and give angles and also not a hard puncher at all. It would be in P-Will best interest to not fight any heavy hitters right now.

I think even if he can make 147 healthy he will still out grow it soon...He won't be able to make it forever. So why not just campaign at a weight-class that you will be comfortable in for years to come? But, at 147 there are a lot of fights that are there for him to comeback with and get his confidence back. I would just prefer 154 for him. But, at 147 Alfonso Gomez is a perfect come backing opponent for P-Will.

But, ain't Gomez with Top rank? That would mean Arum and Haymon would do business. And, that would be interesting.

[AllEyesOpen]

so pac took so many punches to the face that cotto got tired, like margs did?

I would say that shane was the first to show a way to beat cotto.

as far as the bold, unless he changes something trainer-wise, his physical attributes and style will always make him a threat. martinez couldn't do it in their first fight and there's not a lot of guys who can do what martinez does or did in their second fight. pwill is what he is, he's NEVER going to be sergio or some superlatively skilled fighter like you seem to be shi tting on him for not being. That ain't him. he's a fighter, he likes to fight, he likes to fight the best, he doesn't like to step back.

i don't know what your problem is with this guy but pwill is a flawed fighter, so ***n what? so is cotto...so is gatti, so is juanma...he got bombed out. but he's exciting to watch, makes for GREAT action fights, fights good to excellent challenges, and generally behaves like a real fighter, not a businessman who tries to get over on the fans by taking the easy way out (that is FACT).

how is going to ww not trying to better himself as a boxer? he can fight at ww allegedly. he's been fighting OVER his weight class.

I apologize if you feel that i have a problem with Williams, just because i don't agree with you doesn't mean i have a hatred for P-Will. All I'm saying is that Williams has a real chance to be great if he truly wants to be, but he would rather stay a big fish in a small pond.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but just because Williams was able to make and be successful at 147 doesn't mean that he's a natural 147 lbs fighter, just looking at his body you can tell that the healthiest Williams looks is at 154+.

He will continue to get no fights at 147 like he has his whole career, because no ww would comfortably fight a 6 foot tall volume puncher at ww, he's just too much of a threat because of that fact , but only at 147, which was the point i was trying to make. At 154 and 160 he can take on the best and could become a force to be feared, but that is if he wants to be.

You mention Cotto but Cotto at the very least continues to try to fight the best out there and would rematch all his loses if given the chance. Cotto fights at 154 even though he has no buisness fighting at that weightclass and will probably lose sooner then later, but at least he has made the effort to become a better fighter, not a complete transformation into a Pac or Marg, but a better Cotto. Paul Williams is not trying to be a better fighter, but going back to where he could be the better fighter without improving himself and sooner or later another Martinez or Quintana will come along.

[size15shoe]

so williams is gonna prove that he deserves a rubbermatch with s-mart by running back down to 147 lbs and picking on midgets?

I don't get the logic here.

lol @ midgets.. So i guess Ali Funeka and Celistino Cabbelero need to be middleweights too, huh? cause they damn sure tower over their respective competition..

As far as the Martinez fight (or lack there-of) , I dont agree with him going to 147lbs unless its against a sure fire, great opponent (Pacman, Floyd, ect.). But there is nothing wrong with staying busy until Martinez decides to give him a 3rd fight. I really dont think the fight will be at 147 anyways

[jrosales13]

I apologize if you feel that i have a problem with Williams, just because i don't agree with you doesn't mean i have a hatred for P-Will. All I'm saying is that Williams has a real chance to be great if he truly wants to be, but he would rather stay a big fish in a small pond.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but just because Williams was able to make and be successful at 147 doesn't mean that he's a natural 147 lbs fighter, just looking at his body you can tell that the healthiest Williams looks is at 154+.

He will continue to get no fights at 147 like he has his whole career, because no ww would comfortably fight a 6 foot tall volume puncher at ww, he's just too much of a threat because of that fact , but only at 147, which was the point i was trying to make. At 154 and 160 he can take on the best and could become a force to be feared, but that is if he wants to be.

You mention Cotto but Cotto at the very least continues to try to fight the best out there and would rematch all his loses if given the chance. Cotto fights at 154 even though he has no buisness fighting at that weightclass and will probably lose sooner then later, but at least he has made the effort to become a better fighter, not a complete transformation into a Pac or Marg, but a better Cotto. Paul Williams is not trying to be a better fighter, but going back to where he could be the better fighter without improving himself and sooner or later another Martinez or Quintana will come along.

I just stopped reading right there...That's ******ed, if he has no issue of making 147 if he can make it comfortable. Then he's a natural WW...There is no debate to that. If you can make the weight healthy, not issues in making weight. Then you're in your natural weight-class.

I would agree if he's struggling to make weight. But, if he doesn't struggle then he's a natural WW.

[Ray*]

That the way the cookie crumbles..

[Mr. Philadel]

damn pwill ran to 147 lbs quick

the top dudes HIS size hit too hard....so I guess he'll train to become a zombie for the weigh-ins and try to overwhelm dudes much much shorter than him ....I mean thats how he made his mark

[Chief2ndzOnly!]

I apologize if you feel that i have a problem with Williams, just because i don't agree with you doesn't mean i have a hatred for P-Will. All I'm saying is that Williams has a real chance to be great if he truly wants to be, but he would rather stay a big fish in a small pond.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but just because Williams was able to make and be successful at 147 doesn't mean that he's a natural 147 lbs fighter, just looking at his body you can tell that the healthiest Williams looks is at 154+.

He will continue to get no fights at 147 like he has his whole career, because no ww would comfortably fight a 6 foot tall volume puncher at ww, he's just too much of a threat because of that fact , but only at 147, which was the point i was trying to make. At 154 and 160 he can take on the best and could become a force to be feared, but that is if he wants to be.

You mention Cotto but Cotto at the very least continues to try to fight the best out there and would rematch all his loses if given the chance. Cotto fights at 154 even though he has no buisness fighting at that weightclass and will probably lose sooner then later, but at least he has made the effort to become a better fighter, not a complete transformation into a Pac or Marg, but a better Cotto. Paul Williams is not trying to be a better fighter, but going back to where he could be the better fighter without improving himself and sooner or later another Martinez or Quintana will come along.

The problem is no big name WW would fight him. Berto would be forced to fight him now(Being he aint have a belt when Paul was at WW), Paul fought Margo at WW didn't he?

I think you all should drop the height issue with Paul. He's not the 1st 6'0" plus WW. See Thomas "the Hitman" Hearns, and he had more pop than PWill. So dont get pissed at Paul for campaigning at WW if he can make the weight. Get pissed off at the rest of the WWs not fighting him.