Comments Thread For: Bernard Hopkins: Black Fighters, We Are Built Differently

[Cash Cow]

first of all you only brought up those two sources directly after you asked 'How do you not see any proof?". In other words, you provided 0 proof and yet still acted as if you provided tons of facts to back up your statement previously.

second of all, you are not providing any sort of debate. Essentially what youre doing is saying 'Educate yourself' and pretending as if you have won the debate with that blanket statement.
Im not doing the same to you, Im paraphrasing and providing concrete facts(such as drawings directly from that time and DNA studies). You could at least do the same, or else you are not making any sort of argument.

provide some factual statements or you are not attempting to prove your point at all.

incidently,

you know absolutely nothing about Egyptians or Black people. Intelligence comes in different forms. Who built most of America? Who lead the way designing American culture?

Intelligence exists, but I guess because it's not military intelligence you assume that it does not exist, or perhaps you want to give ancient Egyptians an IQ test?

Being able to build great things and works of art, is creative intelligence.

[pacmanis1]

I got to page 11 before this stopped being funny and started to bother me. This thread proves that there's racism on both sides of the fence. So I would like to borrow some words from a wise man, maybe you've heard of him, a man named King. "Can't we all just get along?"

[komandante]

Yes Hopkins is correct Afro Americans has the genetics but also tends to use Peds just to win. Ben Johnson, Tim Montgomery, Marion Jones, FloJo.

[Cash Cow]

Your starting to shell up here. Again your not accepting facts and are finding loopholes. Yet I know you will fight on. Its fine, I understand.

Africa is the worst place to live in the world. This is fact, due to many reasons. It doesnt matter when the country was given a name or the territory was placed. It makes no difference. Besides, most african countires are very old.

" Do you know what the US was doing at those ages?"Full of diseases and at the foot of a Civil War. Sound familiar?

I dont know how to take or answer this. Your getting bizzarre here. I guess this is a insult to white society, to somehow cover the vast problems of you know who.

All throughout history, all over the world their has been war and disease. Yes, the US had disease. However we overcame it easily. Something Africa deeply struggles with to this very day. War, yes we had a civil war. Only one to be exact. I think Africa has had 50+ civil wars since the American one hundreds of years ago. Matter of fact, I believe their is Civil war in Africa untill this very day in 2011.

Furthermore, the contributions of Blacks in terms of technology are too numerous to mention, you can start with Dr. Charles Drew and work your way on down. You're are a piece of work, man

Here are your loop holes. Nobody claimed blacks have never done anything. However we know its the very rare exception, not the rule. Out of the thousands of medical inventions, its well know who has pioneered 99% of them. Charles Drew did improve blood storage. Him being black was a great exception and will always be talked about. In the grand scale of things is it a slight accomlishment for you to hang your hat on. We all will over compensate and show this loop hole.

But some african american he was. Must be right of the Sudan with his looks. I doubt he was even close to real pure African descent. Not a great look for the great "African" American Drew.

I'll explain in a rational way.

People who are builders, creators, creatives, have a specific kind of intelligence. It's an intelligence you are unable to value. Jazz was invented by black people, along with rock & roll, and most of modern music, but you don't pay much attention to any of that.

Before that, the pyramids were invented in Egypt and built. Building and creative intelligence is not the same as destructive or war intelligence. Africans were good and are good at builting stuff, and being creative, designing cultures, and at inventing tribal forms of government.

The Native Americans were good at this too, they protected the earth, they were better with the land, and better at governing themselves. The difference is, they were not aggressive and good at war. Egyptians if you look, they never were a major military force, the Romans always had a better military. If you look at Africa, Africa was never the military might of the world, it was always Europe.

The culture of Egypt was extremely religious and people built pyramids as a religious act. The tribes in Africa had no concept of war, and the concepts they had were absolutely nothing like what Europeans had. In African tribes, they were waging wars which usually was more like a ritual, where the strongest of the tribe, usually just 2 people, would fight 1 on 1 and that would settle it. Sometimes it would be a few people, but they'd all fight 1 on 1, there was no concept of organized war on the scale you think of, thats why they used spears.

The difference was Europeans came in with guns, which were hundreds of years more advanced in war technology. At this time the Africans were hundreds of years more advanced in governing techniques and in diplomacy, most of their problems were solved through rituals, many Africans thought wars were to be faught in a ritualized and fair way, but Europeans came in with guns and there was nothing fair about it.

This happened because Europeans got the gun first, thats all. The same happens with Native Americans, they had a federal government, a federation of tribes, and they had the land all divided up and everything worked out to have years if not centuries of peaceful conflict resolution, then some new people came in with guns and all they had was bow and arrow, they did not have the WEAPONS technology.

The Africans and Native Americans had language, both had music, both had culture, both had clothing, both had housing, both had water, food, government, they had all they needed to live off the land for hundreds of thousands of years, and were invaded by another culture.

Europeans developed weapons because they were used to fighting, and moving, and it was in their culture to conquer. The Chinese who you say were so smart ,and who invented gun power for fireworks, got invaded and conquered by the British. Why? Because the Chinese built a wall to hide from the barbarians on the outside, they didnt know how far ahead of them Europeans were, or about guns until it was too late, by the time they started using gunpowder to make guns, Europeans had cannons.

The only thing that mattered was which group of people were the best warriors. I'm guessing JB is a warrior himself. Someone like JB would have conquered many people, and then after ruling over them, claim them all to be inferior. It's might that decides who is intelligent and who isnt, it's decided by military might. So right now it's obvious that Europeans are the most intelligent, because they conquered the world to prove it, but this does not mean the Europeans were as good at building civilizations as the Egyptians or the Native Americans, I mean hell, why do you think black people were chosen to build the USA?

It's one thing to build guns, it's another thing to build railroads and entire cities. Yes white people can build too, but slavery certainly made it cheaper.
What can we learn from Egyptian / African culture and Native American culture? How to be sustainable and last for over 5000 years. How to build civilizations which won't collapse or destroy and pollute the earth.

I'm not saying Egypt or Native American civilizations would never collapse, I'm simply saying we can learn from these long lasting old civilization styles, Native Americans had decentralized government before the western world knew what it was, and Egyptians and Africans had socialism before the west knew what that was.

Basically, all the stuff we do now, was done back then under different names. If we study ancient society we can learn a lot. Sure, study Rome, study the Greeks, but also study Egypt, and also study African tribes, and Native tribes. It can only help you to take the best ideas humans have invented and apply them regardless of what bodies these ideas came from. If they work, use them.

[Cash Cow]

Egypt is also extremely close to the middle east(or Western Asia), and also connected to it. People dont just instantly change the second you get onto a continent.

In reality, Egypt was not exclusively black or middle eastern, it was a big mix up of both races.
Because of the positioning of Northern African areas along the Mediterranean, there has always been a large amount of racial mixing and diversity due to the fact that sailing was one of the best forms of travel in ancient times, and the Mediterranean links together Europe, Asia Minor and Africa.
Much more racial diversity than say in central Africa.

It is well documented that Egypt has been invaded numerous times over many millenia B.C.; they were always fighting wars to maintain their dominance. With invasion came an influx of new genes to original populations. It's not easy being top dog.

Alexander the Great, of Greece (Macedonia), invaded Egypt several centuries B.C., setting up the Ptolemaic pharaohs and the new capital (Alexandria), in which the leadership was Greek (caucasoid), but adapted the local Egyptian traditions. It remained in control for several centuries until Cleopatra's day (of Greek origin), when the Romans (also Caucasoid) took control over Greece and Egypt. That lasted for several more centuries, until Egypt was invaded again by the Arabs under the newly spreading Islamic revolution, which swept past Egypt westward, and crossed the Straight of Gibraltar into Spain, making the southern half of Spain of the Moslem culture (Grenada, etc.), until pushed back across the Straight of Gibralatar by King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella in the late 1400s, who also launched the exploration of the "New World" in 1492 A.D.

With all of that influx of other peoples, one would expect that the people of Egypt today are of many different extractions, a mix of many races, or a true 'melting pot' from many millenia of mixing.

It truly is at the geographic cross-roads of many races. So, that is why the people living in Egypt today do not look like the paintings from 4,000 - 5,000 years ago.

[them_apples]

hopkins is going to have a fantastic career as a promoter........

he is living up to the moniker of " Ring Master " because he has got everyone all up in a roar.

bottom line, hopkins is selling, and all you fools biting the race bait are been pulled by your mouths like a fish tricked by the worm on the hook.


i like all the unimportant drivel coming from hopkins mouth because of how you so called people of equality and so called anti-racists act, you act irrational, you act even more racist, and you act in a reactionary manner making you a dupe.

if any of what hopkins says actually means anything, he wouldnt be a boxer or a boxing promoter, he would be a person of power and influence, he's a sports figure............. and i'm a hopkins fan.

he also didn't say anything hurtful or demeaning of any other race, just a observation of his, he does have FREEDOM OF SPEACH HERE IN AMERICA, at least while that lasts.

all you guys have been made a joke of, hahahaha, suckers.

I love how you think dumb uneducated people like Hopkins and Mayweather are geniuses. you honestly think they think that much? he's clearly just a racists who thinks hes got better genetics then everyone else. It makes him feel like he can say nobody can achieve what he did with out gifts.

what about genetic powerhouses like Pacquiao and a prime ODLH? Blacks in general produce great athletes but this fool isn't playing anyone or trying to be a great promoter.

blacks are athletically engineered but rarely mentally. Just look how africa is..bunch of monkeys

[Barry Halls]

My man, the Asians didn't have to fight for their civil rights, they weren't enslaved, they weren't lynched for looking at white women. But let me guess, you weren't there so that don't matter to you, right? Folks like you will never comprehend.

In the words of Monty Brogan;

"**** the uptown brothers. They never pass the ball, they don't want to play defense, they take five steps on every lay-up to the hoop. And then they want to turn around and blame everything on the white man. Slavery ended 137 years ago. Move the **** on!"

Also.....


KILL WHITEY!!!!!!!!

[bunce101]

I love how you think dumb uneducated people like Hopkins and Mayweather are geniuses. you honestly think they think that much? he's clearly just a racists who thinks hes got better genetics then everyone else. It makes him feel like he can say nobody can achieve what he did with out gifts.

what about genetic powerhouses like Pacquiao and a prime ODLH? Blacks in general produce great athletes but this fool isn't playing anyone or trying to be a great promoter.

blacks are athletically engineered but rarely mentally. Just look how africa is..bunch of monkeys

SERVED B1TCH

[malikomoman]

African immigrants have higher iq's and higher educational attainments than white americans and even the "model minority" asian americans = FACT

[Barry Halls]

African immigrants have higher iq's and higher educational attainments than white americans and even the "model minority" asian americans = FACT

wtf are you talking about.