6 reasons why the Floyd will not sign for the P4P megafight (strictly boxing)

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minus 'the' in the title lol, here we go!

1. Age: Floyd is not the same fighter anymore he was back at 130, he was fleet-footed, constantly used movement, and actually took RISKS. If you can't see the differences you're blind. Compare the fight between Corrales and his last two bouts against Mosley and Marquez. Floyd fights FLAT-FOOTED nowadays. I think the old Floyd could've beaten Manny, but not the current one. Manny has not slowed down, in fact he's only gotten better. The movement, the power now in BOTH hands. As a side note, I don't see any significance advantage from either men in handspeed.


2. Styles make fights: Floyd doesn't have a good reputation against south-paws. Fair enough, the masterful defensive fighter would adjust right? Well there's another issue, Manny is a volume puncher. That means he throws an INSANE amount of punches throughout the entire fight. He does not stop. How does Floyd intend on tackling this? Especially in his last fights all he does is throw potshots, unless he's totally dominating, like against Mosley, where he might throw a 3 punch combo. But that's very rare. Mayweather mostly boxes himself to decisions, if Manny doubles or even triples his output, he's already in trouble with winning a decision.



5. The Mayweather defense fallacy: Shoulder-rolling and pot-shotting against a volume puncher with a granite chin, that throws from awkward angles is not going to work. Flat-footed Floyd will have to endure a barrage of punches throughout the fight, which is gonna take it's toll at one point, and prevent him from winning an easy decision.


The risk for taking this fight is too high, Floyd wants to protect his 0 and this Pinoy nutter provides too great of a threat to that.

Now if any of these forum ******s start spewing ridiculous comments about PED's, Floyd knocking people out, or even saying Floyd is better than Pac. ALL THIS DOES NOT MATTER. I'm not even saying 100% that Floyd would lose. From a boxing perspective, this match-up provides a very big threat. And for a man that is so intent on staying undefeated, and PLAYING IT SAFE, since his financial income is based on it, I don't see this fight happening.

I'm a fan of both fighters, so can we please drop the childish ***** ******* bs. I'd appreciate constructive criticism/reactions regarding boxing abilities and styles match-up. The points I've explained are all interrelated, they show how numerous strategies (for example boxing to a decision, or going for a KO) Mayweather could adapt all provide problems when facing Pacquiao. No more, no less.

And i don't know about you guys but November has not disapppointed me so far. Boxing is back!

This really is a good post. I agree with point one the most. Some points i don't agree with at all. Floyd has been in decline since Baldomir and it's obvious. If he had the same legs and reflexes he had against Corrales, Gatti or even Baldomir i would pick him in a pinch to defeat Pacquaio in a boring fight. It's just that Pac is looking better than he ever has (i think PED assisted-----> PERSONAL OPINION PLEASE GET OVER IT) and Floyd has been in decline (he and his team have admitted this previosuly).

There are some points i don't not agree with. Floyd can hurt Pac. Don't look at Margo and Cotto and think he can't. He hurts you with timing and accuracy. He can hurt Pac when Pac's coming in, but this is the important part---> his legs must be there. If his legs are not there Pac can bridge the distance with his foot speed. Floyd is such a great judge of distance and his reach and height advantage is something he actually knows how to use. P Will and Margarito do not fight like tall men. Floyd always looks better against opponents his height or shorter. If Floyd's legs are there it should allow him to time Pac coming in and catch him off balance. It's the timing of the punches and the accuracy that can hurt Pac. He needs the footspeed because he doesn't throw as much volume or combos as JMM does. Remeber Floyd can fight moving backwards.

The problem will be the same problems JMM had, and that's surviving early and finding those angles from where the punches are coming early. If he can do that and start timing Pac when he comes in he can stop him in his tracks.

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Good analysis bro, even though I slightly disagree. No Floyd isn't the same fighter, but I think the sharp counters will lower Manny's punch output. Floyd's power isn't really good, but he's one of the most accurate boxers I've ever seen.

I would argue his shots will be more effective against Pac than either Cotto or Margariot, because he will time Pac coming in, which will increse the force of the punches.

Mayweather clearly had Mosley hurt on more thana few occassions and that's impressive for a guy who doesn't follow up and allows you to recover from good blows that he lands because of his innate caution

[Kimo]

This really is a good post. I agree with point one the most. Some points i don't agree with at all. Floyd has been in decline since Baldomir and it's obvious. If he had the same legs and reflexes he had against Corrales, Gatti or even Baldomir i would pick him in a pinch to defeat Pacquaio in a boring fight. It's just that Pac is looking better than he ever has (i think PED assisted-----> PERSONAL OPINION PLEASE GET OVER IT) and Floyd has been in decline (he and his team have admitted this previosuly).

There are some points i don't not agree with. Floyd can hurt Pac. Don't look at Margo and Cotto and think he can't. He hurts you with timing and accuracy. He can hurt Pac when Pac's coming in, but this is the important part---> his legs must be there. If his legs are not there Pac can bridge the distance with his foot speed. Floyd is such a great judge of distance and his reach and height advantage is something he actually knows how to use. P Will and Margarito do not fight like tall men. Floyd always looks better against opponents his height or shorter. If Floyd's legs are there it should allow him to time Pac coming in and catch him off balance. It's the timing of the punches and the accuracy that can hurt Pac. He needs the footspeed because he doesn't throw as much volume or combos as JMM does. Remeber Floyd can fight moving backwards.

The problem will be the same problems JMM had, and that's surviving early and finding those angles from where the punches are coming early. If he can do that and start timing Pac when he comes in he can stop him in his tracks.

Thanx for the reply dude, unlike some other douchebags here that just want to **** around.

U think he's still got the legs?

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I would argue his shots will be more effective against Pac than either Cotto or Margariot, because he will time Pac coming in, which will increse the force of the punches.

Mayweather clearly had Mosley hurt on more thana few occassions and that's impressive for a guy who doesn't follow up and allows you to recover from good blows that he lands because of his innate caution

++++a one time punch from floyd will not hurt pacquiao..the real question is - can floyd be able to absorb multiple combinations from different angles for 12 rounds when pacquiao retaliates?

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Thanx for the reply dude, unlike some other douchebags here that just want to **** around.

U think he's still got the legs?

Yes, but not as much as before. Watch the Baldo fight...his movement is excellent there. Even the ODLH fight he looked sharp without ever getting into 3rd or 4th gear.

Watch JMM fight.....he used his legs very well there.

In the Mosley fight his legs looked shaky. It could be from getting hit, but i think his plan was to stand his ground and counter with hard shots, hence he didn't use his legs as much.

It's hard to say, but Ishe Smith (who he sparred with to prep for Shane) said his legs are very much there.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Pac offers nothing new to floyd.

judah was a better southpaw and was faster. mosely punches harder. gatti had a better chin. all floyds opponents are better pure boxers than manny.

That, is how everyone knows you're an idiot.

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That, is how everyone knows you're an idiot.

he confirmed his idiocy with his posts yesterday. He should have been banned for that ****e.

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Pac offers nothing new to floyd.

judah was a better southpaw and was faster. mosely punches harder. gatti had a better chin. all floyds opponents are better pure boxers than manny.

but pac has the combination of all their individual strengths..

[Anak ni Hudas]

Pac offers nothing new to floyd.

judah was a better southpaw and was faster. mosely punches harder. gatti had a better chin. all floyds opponents are better pure boxers than manny.

gatti TKO'ed by feather fisted Gomez, Judah speed is hype, Mosely can not even knocked a glass chin Mora. dream on b!tch.

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In Boxing defense is not often given the credit it deserves and Floyd's defense is one of the best that I have ever seen.

1. Mayweather's defense


Key to Mayweather's defense is the fact that he is always moving as well as the rhythm,speed and smoothness of his movements, this is what makes this defense effective.

All the while his opponent is punching.
Floyd is

• rolling,
• slipping,
• pivoting at the waist,
• feinting,
• bobbing and weaving,
• constantly displaying various ‘modes’ of movement .

The rhythm of the rolling is very interesting because most opponents alternate their punches in a very predictable way, only occasionally doubling up with the same hand in the middle of flurries.


When his body is turned to his right Floyd's left shoulder usually rolls up high to deflect punches and sometimes additionally he uses his left arm to deflect punches, it depends on the angle of the punch. Shots to this left side of his body are usually deflected upward and/or in front of him. When Mayweather's body is turned to the left his right hand is held up high with his elbow tucked in, so these shots get blocked also, a few well placed body shots can get in but Floyd is already rolling after the first punch connects.

On the rare occasion where a fighter does double up with the same hand Floyd usually catches this and improvises by adjusting his rhythm with a series of 'changes of direction' in his rolling. The thing to notice is the timing, all fighters have a rhythm to their movements which can be timed by an experienced opponent after several rounds of boxing.
2.Two different overall rhythmic forms:

1. the rhythm of offensive motion
2. the rhythm of defensive motion.

There are usually two different overall rhythmic forms, what I call the set-up rhythm
(preparing to punch or waiting to counterpunch, depending on the style of the boxer)
the rhythm of offensive motion and the rhythm of defensive motion.

However Floyd, like many great boxers varies these rhythms in subtle ways that are difficult for opponents to time, and he can seamlessly flow from one rhythmic form to the next without any break in the forms. Usually the opponent is not even aware that the transition has occurred until it is too late.


3.The name of the game is not aggressiveness, it is 'effective aggressiveness'.

Most of Floyd's Opponents punches get deflected and do not do much damage. Also use up a lot of energy in the process.
It is tiring and frustrating to punch at a target that constantly making you miss.

What constantly surprises me is the ignorance of the HBO commentators Jim Lampley,and Larry Merchant They kept talking about that Floyd should stay off the ropes. Now these HBO cats have seen so many fights they should know certain techniques by now.

4.Floyd Rest on The Ropes:

First of all Floyd get's hit with very few punches when he is on the ropes. Many times during Floyd's fights Floyd would rest while letting His Opponents flail away at him, this is a calculated ploy that only works because of the nature of Floyd's defensive skills.

Sometimes Floyd lays on the ropes, sometimes he stands in the middle of the ring right in front of his opponent, in neither case opponents rarely actually connects with thier punches in significant numbers.

Floyd's sense of the flow of a fight is fantastic.

5.Staying 'in the pocket',

When Floyd stands 'in the pocket', meaning that Mayweather was so close to His Opponent that they can not get the proper leverage on their punches.
There is an optimum distance that most fighters need to execute effectively.



6.The Science of Floyd's Offense

Offensively Floyd, 'place' his shots, he is not just wasting energy throwing punches. Even when he is in these defensive stances he is looking for well placed shots in the middle of the other boxer's flurries Notice that his eyes are wide open and they are seeing everything that is happening.
With many other top fighters this is not the case.

It is a natural reflex to close your eyes when an object is coming at your face and great boxers train to counter this tendency.

In the Joel Casamayor vs. Diego Corrales fight both boxers had defensive lapses while concentrating on offensive and there were moments when both fighters closed their eyes while punching.

Shane Mosley also closed his eyes a lot and flinched when Vernon Forrest had him against the ropes.

7.The Science of Movement

Changes of speed and direction, pivoting and spinning, dipping, rocking, backpedaling, sidestepping, feinting, weaving, side-slipping, angles––all are part of a repertoire of constantly shifting balancing mannerisms designed to alter the perspective of the observer, a kind of slick motion geometry. I call these various types of counterbalancing movement techniques ‘modalities of rhythm’.

This tradition has always been passed down from master to student mainly through experiencing the ‘feel’ of these modalities as well as using analogy to pass on information. However it is the insights that are gained through these experiences and the ability to execute that creates masters.


Floyd Mayweather Has Mastered The ‘Sweet Science’

floyd's skill is unquestionable.

let us just be ready for a tune up fight for his next fight.

and NO! dont expect him fighting pacman for his next fight.