6 reasons why the Floyd will not sign for the P4P megafight (strictly boxing)

[Kimo]

minus 'the' in the title lol, here we go!

1. Age: Floyd is not the same fighter anymore he was back at 130, he was fleet-footed, constantly used movement, and actually took RISKS. If you can't see the differences you're blind. Compare the fight between Corrales and his last two bouts against Mosley and Marquez. Floyd fights FLAT-FOOTED nowadays. I think the old Floyd could've beaten Manny, but not the current one. Manny has not slowed down, in fact he's only gotten better. The movement, the power now in BOTH hands. As a side note, I don't see any significance advantage from either men in handspeed.


2. Styles make fights: Floyd doesn't have a good reputation against south-paws. Fair enough, the masterful defensive fighter would adjust right? Well there's another issue, Manny is a volume puncher. That means he throws an INSANE amount of punches throughout the entire fight. He does not stop. How does Floyd intend on tackling this? Especially in his last fights all he does is throw potshots, unless he's totally dominating, like against Mosley, where he might throw a 3 punch combo. But that's very rare. Mayweather mostly boxes himself to decisions, if Manny doubles or even triples his output, he's already in trouble with winning a decision.


3: Power: Mayweather does not have the power to stop this volume punching onslaught. He has brittle hands, it's a well known fact. Mayweather does not COMMIT to his punches anymore. Check this out, and cut all the bull****: Manny traded toe-to-toe with Margarito, who had 17 extra pounds on him with fight night. Look at the size difference! Cotto's body punches (one of the best) could not hurt him, Margarito punished him to the body and head and didn't even daze him. Which brings me to the next point:


4: Chin: Pac's chin in insane, it's even underrated, look at the previous paragraph. There is no way in hell Floyd can hurt him, Manny will walk through Floyd's punches. He is not a KO puncher by far and Pac has taken much worse of bigger guys. Which also brings up another point.


5. The Mayweather defense fallacy: Shoulder-rolling and pot-shotting against a volume puncher with a granite chin, that throws from awkward angles is not going to work. Flat-footed Floyd will have to endure a barrage of punches throughout the fight, which is gonna take it's toll at one point, and prevent him from winning an easy decision.


6: Necessary strategy: How can Mayweather handle the Pacman then? He has to show the old Mayweather. The new Mayweather is all about risk reduction. Do whatever is necessary, and leave it at that. Look at the De La Hoya fight, he was totally dominating but chose not to take risks and just won a split decision. This will NOT work against Pacquiao, I really don't understand people that claim it will. You have to provide a threat against someone with power, speed and endless stamina. That is why Floyd will have to OPEN UP, and start taking some risks. Bring the fight to the slugger. And if you can't see that means trouble, it's time to stop claiming you have boxing knowledge. Pacquiao hits while getting hit, bringing the fight to him is exactly what he wants. Or he should put on a 12 round boxing clinic like he did against Corrales with fantastic movement and strong punching. But that's not in the man anymore, you know it, I know it...we are in a different era of Mayweather now.


The risk for taking this fight is too high, Floyd wants to protect his 0 and this Pinoy nutter provides too great of a threat to that.

Now if any of these forum ******s start spewing ridiculous comments about PED's, Floyd knocking people out, or even saying Floyd is better than Pac. ALL THIS DOES NOT MATTER. I'm not even saying 100% that Floyd would lose. From a boxing perspective, this match-up provides a very big threat. And for a man that is so intent on staying undefeated, and PLAYING IT SAFE, since his financial income is based on it, I don't see this fight happening.

I'm a fan of both fighters, so can we please drop the childish ***** ******* bs. I'd appreciate constructive criticism/reactions regarding boxing abilities and styles match-up. The points I've explained are all interrelated, they show how numerous strategies (for example boxing to a decision, or going for a KO) Mayweather could adapt all provide problems when facing Pacquiao. No more, no less.

And i don't know about you guys but November has not disapppointed me so far. Boxing is back!

[miron_lang]

All roads lead to Floyd Mayweather

[Sammy2g3]

Good analysis bro, even though I slightly disagree. No Floyd isn't the same fighter, but I think the sharp counters will lower Manny's punch output. Floyd's power isn't really good, but he's one of the most accurate boxers I've ever seen.

[Kimo]

Good analysis bro, even though I slightly disagree. No Floyd isn't the same fighter, but I think the sharp counters will lower Manny's punch output. Floyd's power isn't really good, but he's one of the most accurate boxers I've ever seen.

This is the stuff I want to hear. I've considered this as well, because so far no one has actually found a way to lower that ridiculously high output of punches. Keep 'em coming!

[LoStranger]

theres actually alot of truth to this Floyd has declined somewhat

Even Roach said himself Floyd at 130 lbs and 135 lbs is an ATG fighter but at 147 lbs he just isn't the same and I agree

[Horus]

In Boxing defense is not often given the credit it deserves and Floyd's defense is one of the best that I have ever seen.

1. Mayweather's defense


Key to Mayweather's defense is the fact that he is always moving as well as the rhythm,speed and smoothness of his movements, this is what makes this defense effective.

All the while his opponent is punching.
Floyd is

• rolling,
• slipping,
• pivoting at the waist,
• feinting,
• bobbing and weaving,
• constantly displaying various ‘modes’ of movement .

The rhythm of the rolling is very interesting because most opponents alternate their punches in a very predictable way, only occasionally doubling up with the same hand in the middle of flurries.


When his body is turned to his right Floyd's left shoulder usually rolls up high to deflect punches and sometimes additionally he uses his left arm to deflect punches, it depends on the angle of the punch. Shots to this left side of his body are usually deflected upward and/or in front of him. When Mayweather's body is turned to the left his right hand is held up high with his elbow tucked in, so these shots get blocked also, a few well placed body shots can get in but Floyd is already rolling after the first punch connects.

On the rare occasion where a fighter does double up with the same hand Floyd usually catches this and improvises by adjusting his rhythm with a series of 'changes of direction' in his rolling. The thing to notice is the timing, all fighters have a rhythm to their movements which can be timed by an experienced opponent after several rounds of boxing.
2.Two different overall rhythmic forms:

1. the rhythm of offensive motion
2. the rhythm of defensive motion.

There are usually two different overall rhythmic forms, what I call the set-up rhythm
(preparing to punch or waiting to counterpunch, depending on the style of the boxer)
the rhythm of offensive motion and the rhythm of defensive motion.

However Floyd, like many great boxers varies these rhythms in subtle ways that are difficult for opponents to time, and he can seamlessly flow from one rhythmic form to the next without any break in the forms. Usually the opponent is not even aware that the transition has occurred until it is too late.


3.The name of the game is not aggressiveness, it is 'effective aggressiveness'.

Most of Floyd's Opponents punches get deflected and do not do much damage. Also use up a lot of energy in the process.
It is tiring and frustrating to punch at a target that constantly making you miss.

What constantly surprises me is the ignorance of the HBO commentators Jim Lampley,and Larry Merchant They kept talking about that Floyd should stay off the ropes. Now these HBO cats have seen so many fights they should know certain techniques by now.

4.Floyd Rest on The Ropes:

First of all Floyd get's hit with very few punches when he is on the ropes. Many times during Floyd's fights Floyd would rest while letting His Opponents flail away at him, this is a calculated ploy that only works because of the nature of Floyd's defensive skills.

Sometimes Floyd lays on the ropes, sometimes he stands in the middle of the ring right in front of his opponent, in neither case opponents rarely actually connects with thier punches in significant numbers.

Floyd's sense of the flow of a fight is fantastic.

5.Staying 'in the pocket',

When Floyd stands 'in the pocket', meaning that Mayweather was so close to His Opponent that they can not get the proper leverage on their punches.
There is an optimum distance that most fighters need to execute effectively.



6.The Science of Floyd's Offense

Offensively Floyd, 'place' his shots, he is not just wasting energy throwing punches. Even when he is in these defensive stances he is looking for well placed shots in the middle of the other boxer's flurries Notice that his eyes are wide open and they are seeing everything that is happening.
With many other top fighters this is not the case.

It is a natural reflex to close your eyes when an object is coming at your face and great boxers train to counter this tendency.

In the Joel Casamayor vs. Diego Corrales fight both boxers had defensive lapses while concentrating on offensive and there were moments when both fighters closed their eyes while punching.

Shane Mosley also closed his eyes a lot and flinched when Vernon Forrest had him against the ropes.

7.The Science of Movement

Changes of speed and direction, pivoting and spinning, dipping, rocking, backpedaling, sidestepping, feinting, weaving, side-slipping, angles––all are part of a repertoire of constantly shifting balancing mannerisms designed to alter the perspective of the observer, a kind of slick motion geometry. I call these various types of counterbalancing movement techniques ‘modalities of rhythm’.

This tradition has always been passed down from master to student mainly through experiencing the ‘feel’ of these modalities as well as using analogy to pass on information. However it is the insights that are gained through these experiences and the ability to execute that creates masters.


Floyd Mayweather Has Mastered The ‘Sweet Science’

[Forza]

Pac offers nothing new to floyd.

judah was a better southpaw and was faster. mosely punches harder. gatti had a better chin. all floyds opponents are better pure boxers than manny.

[Horus]

thread over

[puga]

hell yeah!....floyd is just not good enough to **** with pac right now......that is why altho i think floyd ducking pac is a b1cth move, its actually a smart one on his part!

[Pullcounter]

All roads lead to Floyd Mayweather

including jail.