Comments Thread For: Vitali Klitschko: Haye, Not Enough Speed or Power To Win

[Carlisle]

Rado you don't know boxing. Anyone can be undefeated if they handpick opponents. They are good but not great because neither have beaten any hall of famers. Lewis made a mess out of Vitali's face.. Lewis never cut anybodys face up like that in his whole career. He did that to Vitali in four rounds and that was with a low punch output. That's the only hall of famer he has faced.
Klitschkos are boring that's why they don't make the money Holyfield, Lewis and Tyson did.

Silly comments like that only make you look foolish.

They lost many years ago and have both greatly improved since, especially Wlad. You may as well judge Pacquiao's current status on his losses to Singsurat and Torrecampo and his draw with Sanchez. And as for people being scared of them, the fact is that whether out of fear or just wanting to cash out with easy fights first, the top contenders have ducked them this year, as you would know if you bothered to keep up to date with boxing.

[kenso]

to say any fighter can't be knocked down is absurd. everyone is human. BTW vitali was knocked out by a kick to the head in kickboxing a long time ago - look it up.

regardless though, i don't think haye will knock vitali out or even down. but in boxing anything can happen. what saddens me is this dude calls them out relentlessly then fights contenders that aren't even close to the top ten. friggin pathetic.

on comments about klitschkos finding better fighters:
who else would you rather vitali or wladimir fight? i mean, dude... ok here is espns top 10 heavyweights

1. wladimir klitschko
2. vitali klitschko
3. david haye
4. alexander povetkin
5. tomasz adamek
6. nikolai valuev
7. ruslan chagaev
8. eddie chambers
9. tony thompson
10. denis boytsov

ok so those are the only guys that really hold any relevance to this division right now. you could try to argue solis belongs there somewhere, but eh, hes really not that good.

lets analyze this list
david haye - the biggest and clearest duck in possibly the history of the sport
povetkin - trainer says he needs more experience - i guess you could call it a duck, at least hes not calling them out and admits to ducking
adamek - wants klitschkos in 2011 - i guess hes still warming up to heavyweight. a slight duck but can be forgiven if he follows through with his 2011 claims
valuev - absolute idiot who turned down a career high payday against vitali. valuev was coming off of a LOSS. absurd. is out for some sort of surgery now though, hand injury i think?
chagaev - has already been stopped by wladimir
thompson - has already been stopped by wladimir
boytsov - is recovering from some sort of surgery, but i think hes training. i believe i read somewhere that he turned down a fight for one reason or another. can anyone indulge on this one?

regardless, thats the state of the division. everyone has either been whipped, unavailable, or avoiding the fight. vitali fighting briggs is a joke? you know, probably - but who else is there? is fighting solis any better? not really - briggs is just as dangerous as solis is and no one really cares about either fight. they wanna see the bros fight the top guys, top guys dont want it! maybe solis is a little better than briggs, maybe not - but in reality who cares? neither of them pose even a remote threat or spark any interest with anyone.

send the comments toward the other TOP FIGHTERS in the division, thats where they belong. you can BET that when ever haye, adamek, povetkin, valuev want to really fight - that the klitschkos will be right there waiting to take the fight. there is no need to complain about briggs getting the shot before solis does. briggs and solis will both get ktfo, no one cares about either fight - neither fight enhances either bro's legacy. there is not much difference between the fights. commend them for staying active with the level of competition that is available. think of it this way, all of the fighters that are available that aren't in the top ten - name off a few of them. where does briggs place on that list? the guys that you have above briggs - are they really that much more dangerous than he is? do you really care about any of those other fighters more than briggs?

the only meaningful fights at heavyweight are the ones that involve povetkin, valuev, haye, adamek fighting a klitschko. until then, everything else is just stay busy - and equally crappy. express your disdain, but don't send it in the wrong direction.

[Dave Rado]

Rado you don't know boxing. Anyone can be undefeated if they handpick opponents.

You lost touch with boxing about thirty years ago. Wlad's opponents in the last few years have almost all been rated in the top 10 by The Ring and many were in the top 5. If that's hand picking then your grandmother is George Foreman.

They are good but not great because neither have beaten any hall of famers.

Which particular Hall of Famers are you claiming that have they ducked recently????

Lewis made a mess out of Vitali's face.. Lewis never cut anybodys face up like that in his whole career.

What's that got to do with anything? If you land a punch in the right place you can cut anyone's face badly. Vitali isn't prone to being cut. It was just a punch that landed in the right place, like Calzaghe's punch against Roy Jones.

He did that to Vitali in four rounds and that was with a low punch output. That's the only hall of famer he has faced.

Yet despite being green, he won four out of six rounds, and Lewis was badly gassed at the end. It was lucky for Lewis that Vitali got the cut - and Lewis refused to give Vitali a rematch, which speaks volumes (and I'm a Lewis fan, but unlike you I believe in being objective and honest). And Vitali improved greatly subsequent to that fight. Judging Vitali on that fight is like judging Lewis on the first McCall fight.

Klitschkos are boring that's why they don't make the money Holyfield, Lewis and Tyson did.

What the hell has money got to do with this thread???? In any case, both brothers have made huge amounts of money. They regularly sell out football stadiums, and their fights are watched on television by an average of around 20 million fans. They make well over $10 million per fight.

And while many find Wlad boring, most people find Vitali entertaining.

And I see you have ducked the point that, contrary to what you claimed earlier, the top contenders have ducked the Klitschkos this year.

Your extreme prejudice and ignorance just makes you look ridiculous.

[kenso]

Rado you don't know boxing. Anyone can be undefeated if they handpick opponents. They are good but not great because neither have beaten any hall of famers. Lewis made a mess out of Vitali's face.. Lewis never cut anybodys face up like that in his whole career. He did that to Vitali in four rounds and that was with a low punch output. That's the only hall of famer he has faced.
Klitschkos are boring that's why they don't make the money Holyfield, Lewis and Tyson did.

im pretty sure the klitschkos make an absurd amount of money, like top 3-4 paid fighters in the sport right now right?

also if you are suggesting the klitschkos cherry pick, what do you have to say about my post i just made?

[Carlisle]

Rado you always quote stats because you don't know boxing. Chambers is 208 lbs with fat on his body. He is a small heavyweight that isn't even comitted to getting in the best shape possible. He has boxing skills from the Philly gyms but he was never a threat to win a title. Not athletic enough. Peter?! Lol.. Tell me what skills Peter has? Your calling these boys great whenthey are fighting fighters who won't be remembered 5 years from now. By contrast Evander Holyfield fought every hall of famer of his generation TWICE... That's a champion.

You're being ridiculous. Chagaev was ranked #3 by The Ring when Wlad fought him, and Chambers was ranked #4 by The Ring. Peter was just outside the top 10.

By contrast, Ruiz wasn't in the top 20, and Valuev was ranked #6. But Haye still ran from the #6 fighter for most of the fight and barely sc****d a MD, with one of the lowest punch outputs in heavyweight history.

[Carlisle]

Chisora, Briggs.. Your grandmother. Klitschko opponents.

im pretty sure the klitschkos make an absurd amount of money, like top 3-4 paid fighters in the sport right now right?

also if you are suggesting the klitschkos cherry pick, what do you have to say about my post i just made?

[Carlisle]

Rado you are objectively racist... Note Calzaghe and Klitschko affinity. What is your twisted logic for Vlad fighting Chisora? They've both been knocked out, TKO or quit at least twice to NON Hall of Famers with the exception of Lewis so there's nothing to debate here.

You lost touch with boxing about thirty years ago. Wlad's opponents in the last few years have almost all been rated in the top 10 by The Ring and most in the top 5. If that's hand picking then you grandmother is George Foreman.



Which particular Hall of Famers are you claiming that have they ducked recently????



What's that got to do with anything? If you land a punch in the right place you can cut anyone's face badly. Vitali isn't prone to being cut. It was just a punch that landed in the right place, like Calzaghe's punch against Roy Jones.



Yet despite being green, he won four out of six rounds, and Lewis was badly gassed at the end. It was lucky for Lewis that Vitali got the cut - and Lewis refused to give Vitali a rematch, which speaks volumes (and I'm a Lewis fan, but unlike you I believe in being objective and honest). And Vitali improved greatly subsequent to that fight. Judging Vitali on that fight is like judging Lewis on the first McCall fight.



What the hell has money got to do with this thread???? In any case, both brothers have made huge amounts of money. They regularly sell out football stadiums, and their fights are watched by an average of around 20 million fans. They make well over $10 million per fight.

And while many find Wlad boring, most people find Vitali entertaining.

And I see you have ducked the point that, contrary to what you claimed earlier, the top contenders have ducked the Klitschkos this year.

Your extreme prejudice and ignorance just makes you look ridiculous.

[Dave Rado]

Rado you always quote stats because you don't know boxing.

You are the one who doesn't know boxing. You clearly stopped following the sport 30 years ago.

Chambers is 208 lbs with fat on his body. He is a small heavyweight that isn't even comitted to getting in the best shape possible. He has boxing skills from the Philly gyms but he was never a threat to win a title. Not athletic enough.

He was regarded as the fourth best heavyweight in the world by every independent rankings body, including The Ring, and was coming off an impressive win. Who the hell was Wlad supposed to fight instead? His mother? GTFOOH. He can't create opponents out of the earth like God. He can only fight the fighters who exist, and Chambers was the best available opponent at that time.

As for not being athletic, you're being an idiot. Chambers is as athletic as Byrd was.

Peter?! Lol.. Tell me what skills Peter has?

Who the hell was Wlad supposed to fight instead? He took the Peter fight as a last resort, when first Haye and then Povetkin refused to fight him. And Peter was considered by all the independent rankings bodies as being one of the 10-15 best Heavyweights in the world and was Wlad's mandatory. Plus Peter had knocked Wlad down three times in their first meeting, and was a belt holder fairly recently. Criticising him for taking that fight in those circumstances is just trolling.

Your calling these boys great whenthey are fighting fighters who won't be remembered 5 years from now.

So who do you think they should fight instead of the top ranked Heavyweights? Do you think they should have fought Pacquiao or Mayweather? You're being ******. They've fought the top ranked Heavyweights, and to blame them for the fact that there haven't been any future Hall of Famers among the top ranked Heavyweights during that time, is ******. Do you think they are God? Do you think the can create people out of the earth?

By contrast Evander Holyfield fought every hall of famer of his generation TWICE... That's a champion.

Which Hall of Famers of the Klitschkos generation have they not fought? Name one. Just one.

[Dave Rado]

Rado you are objectively racist... Note Calzaghe and Klitschko affinity.

You are not only an extreme racist but also a troll. Fuck you. If you think that anyone who doesn't hate all white fighters is by definition a racist, then you're an extreme racist of the KKK level. For the record, my favourite five fighters of all time, in order, are Ray Robinson, Ali, Louis, Henry Armstrong, Willie Pep. My favourite current fighter is Pacquiao. Only one white fighter in that lot.

I've had it with you, you're clearly just trolling.

[Rick Grimes]

He's got more than enough speed/power to lay both out, Vitali will be the first victim.