Mayweather's 'Random Blood Tests' Fallacy; Finally Exposed?

[AFighter4U]

Respectfully, if manny wants full credit fight the guy at 147. To make a champion defend his title at less than the max weight is pu$$y. And, before you say it, if floyd fights Martinez at 155 for the mw title, thats pu$$y.

Not an excuse, if the 2lbs didn't mean anything why did Manny refuse to let Cotto fight at 145. Obviously, Cotto not making an issue is more about him being a class act. He also said gave Margarito credit when its very likely marg cheated.

Again, if I point out that Cotto was at 145 or ODH was at 147 which he hadn't fought in 4-5yrs thats the truth. If I say Manny ****** against Clottey because he landed about 20% of his punches thats the truth. Manny has to be evaluated based on all the facts just as anyone else.

There's a reason catchweights are historically common in boxing and that is to allow two good fighters of different weight classes to fight in an even field. This is the link of a couple of catchweights made:

e a s t s i d e boxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=159546

Catchweight fights for title belts aren't unheard of and it was never really an issue until Manny came along. However, if in spite of my explanation you still consider catchweights an unmanly move, then nothing else i would say would change your opinion and let's simply agree to disagree at this point.

Regarding ODLH, you must remember that IT WAS OSCAR WHO WAS CALLING THE SHOTS, and NOT Manny. He was the cash cow at that time, and Manny was just there for his big payday. It was Oscar who volunteered to go down to 147. Manny never demanded that of him. How could he? Also, keep in mind that Manny had to go up TWO WEIGHT CLASSES to fight dela hoya. (not sure though. my memory's not what it used to be) The reason the fight didn't make as much money was because before the fight, ALMOST EVERYONE WAS CALLING IT A CIRCUS, with Oscar expected to destroy Manny.

Do you honestly believe Oscar would purposefully drain himself to fight Manny? That he would allow himself to go down that weight level with the knowledge that he would be draining himself?

True, Manny did land only 20% of his punches, but that's cuz Clottey, THE PHYSICALLY BIGGER FIGHTER kept his turtle shell stance 90% of the time. If i remember correctly, Clottey recently opened up about his fight with Manny and mentioned that he felt like Manny tagged him EVERY TIME HE OPENED UP. Or something like that. If you look closely again at that fight, on rounds 4 and 11, on the RARE occasions that Clottey actually opened up to fight, Manny actually wobbled clottey.

[Akinapepemo]

What about Floyd? most people picked chico to beat him.

Perhaps. But ultimately expectations from FMJ are usually higher, given that he boxes with good technique. This is the reason why critics deride his resume-- they expect better from him.

Pacquiao on the other hand, continues to defy expectations, because his non-textbook style, and rhythm makes him look beatable in the eyes of purists, not to mention that his resume has wins over fighters that could have in theory, beaten him easily.

This is reflected in BScene betting.

[The Big Dunn]

Can't believe people are still talking about the Cotto-Pac catchweight.

First, I do think it was made as a way to levelthings between the two fighters. Pac's team saw it as an advantage since he also had to bulk up, but a fair one, as obviously proven by Cotto's agreeing to the stipulation, indicating that it wasn't an issue to him.

Lastly, the point is moot already since Cotto did not lose by gassing out, if he did, a case could be made that he was weight-drained. He eventually lost 'cause he got hurt.

No offense, but I think the $8 mil payday was why Cotto agreed to the stipulation. I don't think you can reasonably say it wasn't an issue. If you recall, Manny originally wanted 143, Cotto 147 and they finally settled on 145.

Having to shed the extra 2 lbs is obviously going to factor into performance. I do think it was made as a way to level things between the two fighters. Pac's team saw it as an advantage.

We weren't discussing Manny/Cotto directly. I made the point Manny is no different from any fighter in that his accomplishments, while great, are subject to the truth. If 145 wasn't an issue, then they wouldn't have had to negotitate it.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

What is this **** thread?

[Vadrigar.]

What is this **** thread?

The thread which you decided to enter.....

[The Big Dunn]

There's a reason catchweights are historically common in boxing and that is to allow two good fighters of different weight classes to fight in an even field. This is the link of a couple of catchweights made:

e a s t s i d e boxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=159546

Catchweight fights for title belts aren't unheard of and it was never really an issue until Manny came along. However, if in spite of my explanation you still consider catchweights an unmanly move, then nothing else i would say would change your opinion and let's simply agree to disagree at this point.

Regarding ODLH, you must remember that IT WAS OSCAR WHO WAS CALLING THE SHOTS, and NOT Manny. He was the cash cow at that time, and Manny was just there for his big payday. It was Oscar who volunteered to go down to 147. Manny never demanded that of him. How could he? Also, keep in mind that Manny had to go up TWO WEIGHT CLASSES to fight dela hoya. (not sure though. my memory's not what it used to be) The reason the fight didn't make as much money was because before the fight, ALMOST EVERYONE WAS CALLING IT A CIRCUS, with Oscar expected to destroy Manny.

Do you honestly believe Oscar would purposefully drain himself to fight Manny? That he would allow himself to go down that weight level with the knowledge that he would be draining himself?

True, Manny did land only 20% of his punches, but that's cuz Clottey, THE PHYSICALLY BIGGER FIGHTER kept his turtle shell stance 90% of the time. If i remember correctly, Clottey recently opened up about his fight with Manny and mentioned that he felt like Manny tagged him EVERY TIME HE OPENED UP. Or something like that. If you look closely again at that fight, on rounds 4 and 11, on the RARE occasions that Clottey actually opened up to fight, Manny actually wobbled clottey.

Yes. ODH wanted that big payday. I'm not knocking Manny. But people's opinions don't matter to me. I bought the fight and hoped Manny whopped his A44. I did think it was too much for Manny, until I saw ODh in the ring.

I respect your opinion but I feel catchweights in title fight ONLY are pu$$y. If you are moving up in weight for a title move all the way up. If its a non title fight I have no problem.

I don't care if clottey is bigger. My point is you nor I, love manny or hate him, can change the truth. You are offering valid reasons and excuses, but they don't change the truth. The fight ******. Clottey barely threw. Manny threw a lot. they both landed about the same # of shots.

[Akinapepemo]

What is this **** thread?

Nothing new here burner, move along now...

No offense, but I think the $8 mil payday was why Cotto agreed to the stipulation. I don't think you can reasonably say it wasn't an issue. If you recall, Manny originally wanted 143, Cotto 147 and they finally settled on 145.

Having to shed the extra 2 lbs is obviously going to factor into performance. I do think it was made as a way to level things between the two fighters. Pac's team saw it as an advantage.

We weren't discussing Manny/Cotto directly. I made the point Manny is no different from any fighter in that his accomplishments, while great, are subject to the truth. If 145 wasn't an issue, then they wouldn't have had to negotitate it.

True, whoever is the draw does get to dictate, just like DLH did in his time, or SRL. Ok, i concede that it was an issue, but it wasn't such a big deal to bea dealbreaker to Cotto, it just meant that he had to start training earlier. Besides, looking at Cotto's composition, he looks like he could shed a pound without getting squeezed dry unlike DLH or EM.

[AFighter4U]

No offense, but I think the $8 mil payday was why Cotto agreed to the stipulation. I don't think you can reasonably say it wasn't an issue. If you recall, Manny originally wanted 143, Cotto 147 and they finally settled on 145.

Having to shed the extra 2 lbs is obviously going to factor into performance. I do think it was made as a way to level things between the two fighters. Pac's team saw it as an advantage.

We weren't discussing Manny/Cotto directly. I made the point Manny is no different from any fighter in that his accomplishments, while great, are subject to the truth. If 145 wasn't an issue, then they wouldn't have had to negotitate it.

And having to go up in weight is also going to factor in your performance. Best example is Marquez. Heck, even ARMSTRONG fought at catchweight. And he's the top ten ATG! And its not an issue in the sense that it didn't give one fighter an unfair advantage over the other.

[The Big Dunn]

And having to go up in weight is also going to factor in your performance. Best example is Marquez. Heck, even ARMSTRONG fought at catchweight. And he's the top ten ATG! And its not an issue in the sense that it didn't give one fighter an unfair advantage over the other.

Please be careful about brining up old fighters. respectfully, they employed catchweights because there was fewer divisions and more space between them. If henry Armstrong moves from 160 to 175 and the fight is at 170 that is SIGNIFICANTLY different than Manny moving from 140 to 147 and fighting at 145. C'mon man be fair.

[AFighter4U]

Yes. ODH wanted that big payday. I'm not knocking Manny. But people's opinions don't matter to me. I bought the fight and hoped Manny whopped his A44. I did think it was too much for Manny, until I saw ODh in the ring.

I respect your opinion but I feel catchweights in title fight ONLY are pu$$y. If you are moving up in weight for a title move all the way up. If its a non title fight I have no problem.

I don't care if clottey is bigger. My point is you nor I, love manny or hate him, can change the truth. You are offering valid reasons and excuses, but they don't change the truth. The fight ******. Clottey barely threw. Manny threw a lot. they both landed about the same # of shots.

I think you were sorely disappointed with the clottey fight. So was i. But it definitely was not Manny's fault. He did what he could to make it a more competative fight to the point that he opened himself to be hit by clottey to elicit some fight from him. He even clapped the man's ears! That's the reason they have about the same # of shots. Manny fired 1,331 shots for 12 rounds, looking as energized at round 12 as he was at round 1, in spite of the beating he took for opening himself up to clottey.

No one was able to shut out clottey like that before. Manny was just too fast and was all over him that he could not respond and since he promised himself beforehand that he'd NOT be knocked out by Manny, he had no other choice but to clam up i guess. Because if Clottey did open up and fought more aggressively, he would have most likely been knocked out.