Mosley was pretty damn fast too. He deserves credit. Definitely jones too. OMG!! I can't really judge ray robinson because a lot of the fights are shown at a different frame-rate than they were recorded at and most the fights I have seen are slightly distorted. A lot of old fights are like that. Some worse than others obviously.
Like you know those fights where it looks like still photos just being moved quickly where you can actually make out almost every frame? Like Dempsey's hand'll be pulled back ready to throw a punch in one frame, then the next frame he's already thrown the punch, then in the third frame his opponent is falling, then the fourth the opponent is already down. I think you know what I mean.
It will never be possible to see for yourselves just how quick guys like Dempsey and Jack Johnson really were were, because of the reason MD has just stated, but Dempsey was known to connect with several good punches when his opponent was in the act of falling. He, Tyson, Ali, and Louis were the quickest the HW division has given us IMO.
In terms of all time, all weights, there are plenty of guys, especially in the light and welterweight divisions. Maybe people who saw him (and survived to see many other greats) said that Greb was the quickest bar none. Could be sentimental BS but I think he deserves mention on the thread at least in the "might have been but we can't be sure" category.
Yeah I'm always skeptical of that too Kid Achillies. Cause like, its basically fact that peoples' memories isn't necessarily what was true. They've done tons of psychological tests, for example:
In one test, they had subjects look at headshots of several different people, like 20 or so. They could look at each person for like a minute. Then they'd show them 20 more pictures, some which were the same pictures and some which were different. And they'd ask them to mark the pictures of people they recognized. I even took part in such an experiment myself. I'm a pretty smart guy, 160 IQ (love bragging too). I got like 10 out of 20. Pretty crappy. Nobody got more than like 11 out of 20 in the one I did. Then they had other groups look at 20 pictures, then another set of 20 like a week later. Obviously, they did even worse.
Tests would done partially as evidence showing that witnesses in court cases might THINK they saw a certain person when they didn't really, but someone who looked sort of like them.
Anyhow, I've also had memories of movies I first saw as a kid. Then I'd see the movies again and be blown away at how different it looks compared to my memory. I was thoroughly convinced that in this TV show called Freddy's Nightmares (Freddy Krueger), that this girl beat a guy with her track trophy and he turned into a bloody mess and then morphed into Freddy. Well, I recently saw the episode and that didn't happen at all. She beat the guy with her trophy, but it didn't show the guy's face after she started hitting him, so the only blood you saw was on the bottom of her trophy.
You just can't compare someone's memory of Greb with actual video footage. That's not saying Greb was fastest ever or not, its just saying we'll never know for sure. We could speculate.
There was also a guy named Slapsy Maxie Rosenbloom. WORST KO RATE EVER, I believe, for a guy who won as many fights as he did. He was something like 217-20 (17 KOs), something in that range.
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