Comments Thread For: Team Pacquiao: Floyd Mayweather Demands More Money

[switchsouthpaw]

I agree, except for the numbers part.

Right now Pacquiao needs Mayweather WAY more than Floyd needs Manny.

Floyd could fight Berto, Martinez, or Williams, and probably make 30 mil off each fight. If he fought those three guys within the next 12 months, he probably makes 100 mil. If the Pac fight falls through, Floyd will move on.

But it's different for Manny, he HAS GOT to fight Floyd because of how-and-why the previous negotiations failed, and because he does not have the same options available to him that Mayweather has.

How much will Pac make fighting Margo?

And who the hell, other than a hardcore Manny fan, would buy Cotto/Pac II?

Within a couple of decades OST's will be mandatory, and anyone who is seen to be publicly avoiding them will be judged as a drug-cheat, just as athletes are currently judged within Amateur competition.

It is actually amazing to think that a professional contact sport is so far behind the times.

Team Pacquiao are now well-aware of the damage that was caused to Manny's legacy because the sticking-point that prevented the fight from being signed happened to be the "cut-off date" for random blood tests.

History will reflect that there is actually no such thing as a cut-off date for OST's. Olympic Standard Testing is ANYWHERE/ANYTIME.

So when my grandkids look at a boxing record book and see that Team Pacquiao would not agree to fight Floyd because they insisted upon a cut-off date for OST's..... my grandkids will come to their own conclusion.

Manny has to fight Floyd now, there is no other option available to him.

The world has changed at some point, and I missed the whole thing. I had absolutely no idea that it was acceptable to quibble over testing for steroid abuse.

Since the dirty Olympics, MOST people think that..... " where there is smoke, there is fire ".

Manny has got to clear the air with this cut-off date bull****.

Here is how I assess the situation, first with respect to the accusations that Pac has taken PEDs, and how that factors into his recent successes.

1) I look at who is making the accusations, then I ask myself whether or not that source has or lacks credibility. In this case the Mayweathers taking into account their (Mayweathers) history, I dismiss the accusations as merely rumors and innuendo meant to distract from real negotiations.

2) Many other boxers were tested for PEDs in the past and the ones that came up positive, weren't always successful. Case and point Fernando Vargas testing positive for Nandrolone in his bout with Oscar, and we all remember how that ended, it certainly didn't make him a better fighter and he didn't seem to hurt Oscar at any point in that fight.
Shane Mosley admitting to having used EPO in his 2nd fight against Oscar, a fight many people had him losing by decision.

I think your grand kids may also see that sometimes in this world, you have strange people who make accusations without merit and/or basis, and they may come to the conclusion that the family lacks substance and credibility.

First Mayweather refuses to fight Pacquiao because he didn't like Arum. But when Golden Boy took over negotiations for him, he came up with another demand, size of gloves. When they came to an agreement, he came up with another demand, he'll take 60% to Pacquiao's 40. Then he would eventually agree to 50-50, as long as his name came first. Then when Pacquiao agreed, he then injected (no pun intended) randomized blood-testing. Then when Pacquiao showed that he might accept a compromise solution with respect to blood testing, Mayweather hinted that he would make it even tighter, random blood resting up to the day of the fight. Now that Pacquiao has officially announced acceptance of blood tests up to 14 days of the fight, the hint is no longer a hint but a demand. A lot of people (not fanboys) can see through this type of idiocy because in this case it's transparent. And there is no reason for him to be doing this, because he can beat any version of Pac with roids or without.

Yes right now it appears as if Floyd has more options, however; if you make the wrong choice, sometimes all the cards around you begin to crumble. I hope the fight with Pac doesn't come off(this whole thing is exhausting and I could a give **** if it happens or not at this point), it will force Floyd to make some tough decisions and if he chooses someone like PWill or Martinez, def not Berto or the new 2010 action hero Cintron, neither of which belong in a ring with him, then he will be forced to make some risky choices. If chooses a soft touch, then I bet you his numbers begin to decline dramatically, say if he fought someone like Tim Bradley, HBO would buy that fight for about 10 pesos. I doubt he makes 30 million against anyone not named Pac.

[LeadUppercut]

Here is how I assess the situation, first with respect to the accusations that Pac has taken PEDs, and how that factors into his recent successes.

1) I look at who is making the accusations, then I ask myself whether or not that source has or lacks credibility. In this case the Mayweathers taking into account their (Mayweathers) history, I dismiss the accusations as merely rumors and innuendo meant to distract from real negotiations.

Hold on, you cannot mis-interpret a request that a clause be included in the contract stipulating that OST will be undertaken by both competitors before the fight, as an accusation of steroid abuse toward one of the fighters.

No-one's accusing anybody of anything.

Povetkin wasn't accusing Klitschko, and neither were any of the other fighters that have recently mentioned WADA style testing requests during contract negotiations.

If I accuse you of murder, does that mean I gotta stand trial too ?

2) Many other boxers were tested for PEDs in the past and the ones that came up positive, weren't always successful. Case and point Fernando Vargas testing positive for Nandrolone in his bout with Oscar, and we all remember how that ended, it certainly didn't make him a better fighter and he didn't seem to hurt Oscar at any point in that fight.
Shane Mosley admitting to having used EPO in his 2nd fight against Oscar, a fight many people had him losing by decision.

Neither You nor I have the right to argue about whether steroid abuse will give any particular athlete an unfair advantage in competition, and especially about whether or not it should be allowed.

Besides, I think it is fairly well documented that steroid abuse does give you an unfair advantage in competition, think of how many athletes have been stripped of Olympic Medals or World Titles after testing positive.

Remember, no-one is accusing anybody of anything.

OST's are harmless, and are undertaken by hundreds of athletes, including all of the top amateur boxers, every single year.

I think your grand kids may also see that sometimes in this world, you have strange people who make accusations without merit and/or basis, and they may come to the conclusion that the family lacks substance and credibility.

Forget " accuse " ..... the point that I was trying to make was.....
* OST's are HARMLESS !!
* OST's will be mandatory in a couple of decades
* OST's are mandatory NOW in ALL top amateur sports

But this is the main point.....
* Currently, if an amateur athlete avoids or obstructs an OST request, they are JUDGED GUILTY, by the sanctioning body, and by the public in general

THE SAME WILL HAPPEN in a few years, because OST will be mandatory at the time.

In the future, boxing fans will wonder why Manny insisted upon a cut-off date..... which will seem bizarre, because.....
a.) there is no such thing
b.) EVERYBODY will be taking OST's as per regulation, at that point in time

First Mayweather refuses to fight Pacquiao because he didn't like Arum.

That's the first I heard about that one, but that just cant compare to the numerous excuses that have come from Team Pac as to why Manny wont agree to random blood tests.

But when Golden Boy took over negotiations for him, he came up with another demand, size of gloves.

I didn't hear that glove size was an issue either ?

When they came to an agreement, he came up with another demand, he'll take 60% to Pacquiao's 40. Then he would eventually agree to 50-50, as long as his name came first. Then when Pacquiao agreed, he then injected (no pun intended) randomized blood-testing. Then when Pacquiao showed that he might accept a compromise solution with respect to blood testing, Mayweather hinted that he would make it even tighter, random blood resting up to the day of the fight. Now that Pacquiao has officially announced acceptance of blood tests up to 14 days of the fight, the hint is no longer a hint but a demand. A lot of people (not fanboys) can see through this type of idiocy because in this case it's transparent. And there is no reason for him to be doing this, because he can beat any version of Pac with roids or without.

Yes right now it appears as if Floyd has more options, however; if you make the wrong choice, sometimes all the cards around you begin to crumble. I hope the fight with Pac doesn't come off(this whole thing is exhausting and I could a give **** if it happens or not at this point), it will force Floyd to make some tough decisions and if he chooses someone like PWill or Martinez, def not Berto or the new 2010 action hero Cintron, neither of which belong in a ring with him, then he will be forced to make some risky choices. If chooses a soft touch, then I bet you his numbers begin to decline dramatically, say if he fought someone like Tim Bradley, HBO would buy that fight for about 10 pesos. I doubt he makes 30 million against anyone not named Pac.

You make some good points here, except that WADA style testing was on the table right from the first negotiation, Freddie Roach confirmed this himself. And Floyd did not make the cut-off date requirements tighter, he backed off and left Team Pac 14 days.

And Mayweather did agree to 50%, which most believed he would never do.

That hardly looks like ducking, surely the money would have been the reason to hold everything up if that was the case, because that will be the problem this time.

Anyways bro, thanks for the yarn

And good points about the numbers, and you could be right about Pac keeping Mayweathers stock afloat, his choices to date make you wonder if those other names would ever get an opportunity.

[switchsouthpaw]

Hold on, you cannot mis-interpret a request that a clause be included in the contract stipulating that OST will be undertaken by both competitors before the fight, as an accusation of steroid abuse toward one of the fighters.

No-one's accusing anybody of anything.

The accusations were originally made by Floyd Sr and then reiterated in subsequent comments by Roger, then all of a sudden it seemed to catch fire as a result of those two having made comments regarding PEDs.

Povetkin wasn't accusing Klitschko, and neither were any of the other fighters that have recently mentioned WADA style testing requests during contract negotiations.

I can't speak to the intentions of Povetkin. I am happy that Wladimir did not oblige him.
If I accuse you of murder, does that mean I gotta stand trial too?
No but your prior history would be taken into account, in other words if you have a criminal history and accuse someone else of a crime, then your history will be you used to determine the credibility of your accusations.



Neither You nor I have the right to argue about whether steroid abuse will give any particular athlete an unfair advantage in competition, and especially about whether or not it should be allowed.

Besides, I think it is fairly well documented that steroid abuse does give you an unfair advantage in competition, think of how many athletes have been stripped of Olympic Medals or World Titles after testing positive.

Remember, no-one is accusing anybody of anything.

OST's are harmless, and are undertaken by hundreds of athletes, including all of the top amateur boxers, every single year.



Forget " accuse " ..... the point that I was trying to make was.....
* OST's are HARMLESS !!
* OST's will be mandatory in a couple of decades
* OST's are mandatory NOW in ALL top amateur sports

But this is the main point.....
* Currently, if an amateur athlete avoids or obstructs an OST request, they are JUDGED GUILTY, by the sanctioning body, and by the public in general

THE SAME WILL HAPPEN in a few years, because OST will be mandatory at the time.

In the future, boxing fans will wonder why Manny insisted upon a cut-off date..... which will seem bizarre, because.....
a.) there is no such thing
b.) EVERYBODY will be taking OST's as per regulation, at that point in time



That's the first I heard about that one, but that just cant compare to the numerous excuses that have come from Team Pac as to why Manny wont agree to random blood tests.



I didn't hear that glove size was an issue either ?



You make some good points here, except that WADA style testing was on the table right from the first negotiation, Freddie Roach confirmed this himself. And Floyd did not make the cut-off date requirements tighter, he backed off and left Team Pac 14 days.

And Mayweather did agree to 50%, which most believed he would never do.

That hardly looks like ducking, surely the money would have been the reason to hold everything up if that was the case, because that will be the problem this time.

Anyways bro, thanks for the yarn

And good points about the numbers, and you could be right about Pac keeping Mayweathers stock afloat, his choices to date make you wonder if those other names would ever get an opportunity.

I appreciate the back and forth brother, enjoy the weekend holiday and be safe.

[jeff41514]

everyone should have seen this coming

If a fight with Manny Pacquiao is back on the table, Floyd Mayweather Jr. wants more money than previously offered at the start of the year. Earlier this year Mayweather agreed to a 50-50 split on the money. This second time around the former five division champion wants a bigger slice of the pie. If Mayweather wants more than 50-50, Pacquiao's lawyer and business manager have said the fight "will never happen." [Click Here To Read More]

floyd wants no part of manny, he knew manny would never agree to this so he bought his way out, so floyd go fight mathew hatton or or manual lopez or isreal vascuez. (sorry guys my spelling sucks)way to go floyd you did it again

[The Big Dunn]

floyd wants no part of manny, he knew manny would never agree to this so he bought his way out, so floyd go fight mathew hatton or or manual lopez or isreal vascuez. (sorry guys my spelling sucks)way to go floyd you did it again

Floyd made $35 mil for his last fight manny made $19 or $20 mil. That has to change the equation. I think Manny made a mistake fighting clottey. Floyd made a smart move fighting Mosley.