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What I saw in Paul Williams last night isn't a guy who can beat Floyd Mayweather.

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    #11
    Williams was uncharacteristically cautious because of Cintron's right hand.

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      #12
      Meh, hard for me to really give a concrete prediction based soley on last night's fiasco. Not really the PWill I'm accostomed to seeing. I think he gave a LOT of respect to Cintron's power, plus his corner was basically telling him to be patient, which isn't William's forte. He started coming on pretty good before Cintron's "exit stage left". Anyway, I would pick Mayweather over William's. I think William's obvious size and reach advantages, plus if he is at his usual work rate, keep him in the fight, but Floyd takes a 116-112ish type of victory.

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        #13
        2 of 75 jabs in the first 2 rounds. Yet one judge gave him both those rounds, despite the fact that Cintron landed the cleaner more effective punches and more of them.

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          #14
          Originally posted by Iceta Lives View Post
          I'm not one of these guys on here saying that Cintron deserved to win the fight like a lot of the trolls on here are. But when I analyzed his style last night, his punching technique looked off last night. An inaccurate flicking jab, bad balance, wide punches. Everybody who listens to me post about Paul Williams knows I'm a fan of the guy, but I'm just trying to recognize real. Mayweather would beat him and quite easily I think.
          Lol.

          Kermit was fighting the PERFECT fight. He was slipping, pivoting, and rolling virtually everything paul threw, all while sitting in the pocket.

          Not to mention, he was countering beautifully and timing paul. he didn't land all his counters, but when you have a puncher like that trying to counter you every time you throw, you're going to become very passive.

          Kermit made Williams respectful, it was going to be a long night for williams AND kermit. Williams would have turned up the heat going for broke, and kermit would have done so as well (more opportunities to counter).

          It was Williams who would have had to make the fight happen. kermit was comfortable boxing from teh outside and was never going to force the action in fear of tiring himself out. He had the perfect place. Keep Paul respectful, and preserve energy for when he tries to unleash.

          He personally thought he won teh first 2 rounds EASY, and can even make a case for the third when paul tried to turn up the heat but missed virtually everything. Paul, IMO, Made kermit look good.

          Round 4 i gave to kermit as well. He landed a big right hand that seemed to effect williams legs a bit, 10 seconds later williams landed the left, they tangled, and then the rest is history.

          Kermit dove out the ring on purpose IMO, thinking he was going to get the W for outboxing williams - but judges suck.

          I personally think Kermit was acting, but it still won't stop me from knowing what I saw. What I saw was him handling williams with ease, and no matter what the judges weren't going to give him the fight.

          The acting is bull**** though and disgraceful.

          EDIT -

          To add to what i just pasted from a previous thread, Floyd doesn't have the size, strength, or power to make Williams respecful the way cintron did.

          Does it mean he cant win? No.. just don't assume the looks anything like last night.

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            #15
            Style wise, Martinez stands a better chance at beating Floyd.

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              #16
              when you have paul himself saying he may not beat floyd, but he will get his in, that's basically him saying he's a defeated man mentally already---he's good enough to get "his in, meaning his shots in, but he may not actually win---so his victory will be, being able to land on floyd---that's a damn shame if you ask me---i've always said paul would be floyd's toughest opposition, even though floyd will catch him quite handidly----because paul fights small---i'm saying it again, he fought small again last night---he bends down too much, and he's not hard to catch at all people---he gets caught a lot----he needs to temper his volume of punches, and wait to throw them, rather than just throw 1000 punches a fight---because his connect % last night through 3 and a half rounds were horrible against an at best, kind of decent defensive fighter---it's a shame----floyd would make all those punches paul throws look useless----i mean it---paul's long body would be open for uppercuts, lead right hands, left hooks, and right hooks, because floyd does throw right hooks to southpaws' bodies---he did it with chop chop and judah---and the right hook he threw against chop in the first round backed up chop like a mother****er----the left hook floyd landed on zab in round 4, when zab didn't expect it, changed the whole fight from that point----paul will get caught with a shot that will back him up, i'm telling you now---

              it's not smart ot bet against me when it comes to a mayweather jr fight----like i said back in 2006 and 2007, and i'm saying it again now---floyd would beat paul quite imoressively and will use paul's punches against him, because floyd will tire paul out, and hit his body at will---it's not hard to, believe me---he gets hit in the body a lot and he has been getting hit a lot upstairs by right handed fighters because he fights too bended over---he doesn't use his size at all, and that's a curse for him----and floyd would exploit paul----even though paul is a southpaw-----

              paul's defense was better back in 2006 and 2007---his first run at ww-----but he has been figured out, which is why his physcial attriubutes only go so far----but he has to use them to his advantage, or he'll be caught like he was with quitana, sergio, phillips, and last night kermit caught him with a good right hand----don't start that they were big and good punchers----they don't have the accuracy of a floyd mayweather jr....i don't care how bigger they are than him----he will hit paul, with ease----
              Last edited by pbftxrs316; 05-09-2010, 11:02 AM.

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                #17
                Paul had a gameplan that was put in by his trainer which in my eyes was smart Cintron and ronny shields watched PWill last 2 fights expecting him to come out reckless cause Cintron was just waiting for the long left hand counter shots with the right hand all night he didn't do **** in rd 4 Paul almost knocked his ass down you can't throw 100 punches every round every fight

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Iceta Lives View Post
                  I'm not one of these guys on here saying that Cintron deserved to win the fight like a lot of the trolls on here are. But when I analyzed his style last night, his punching technique looked off last night. An inaccurate flicking jab, bad balance, wide punches. Everybody who listens to me post about Paul Williams knows I'm a fan of the guy, but I'm just trying to recognize real. Mayweather would beat him and quite easily I think.
                  You will receive a lot of hate for that one but its the truth. Its never far fetched to pick Money over any of these guys including Pacquiao. In order to beat Floyd these WW's will need a bias ref extreme hand speed and a lucky punch. "Yep I'm better than Ali". I agree.

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                    #19
                    I cant believe how many people here can take 2 round of Paul being cautious and talk about how much he sucks.

                    Seriously, as soon as he stepped it up, the fight instantly changed.

                    Give the man his props.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Iceta Lives View Post
                      I just analyze their styles, and I don't see anything other than Floyd making him look ******ed. I'm a realist unlike the Cotto stans were.
                      I do agree that if Mr. Williams & Mr. Mayweather fought, Mr. Mayweather would have a big advantage. Styles in fact do make fights, and Mr. Mayweather has fought taller fighters before. The trouble that I see Mr. Williams having is the technical style from Mr. Mayweather.

                      Mr. Williams has trouble with fighters that can box. We all know that Mr. Mayweather is a master of the sweet science. The only advantage that Mr. Williams would have is to outwork Mr. Mayweather, and everyone says that they will either outbox him or knock him out but he makes realtime adjustments, and figures fighters out. Plus just stretching a little further, I honestly believe that Mr. Cintron was winning the fight 2-1 before the unexpected accident happened. As I just watched the replay again for the 3rd time, I see that Mr. Cintrons foot tripped over Mr. Williams leg/foot and caused the unbalance.

                      Getting back to the topic at hand, I really don't think that a fight between Mr. Mayweather & Mr. Williams will ever happen because they are both managed by Mr. Al Haymon, and honestly there is not enough public interest in the matchup between the fighters, 2ndly, since HBO has Mr. Williams under their wing and pays him for HBO fights, and Mr. Mayweather is the PPV draw, Mr. Haymon is getting money from 2 sides of the fence. Why would he mess that up if the 2 fighters squared off and 1 lost? That would mess his money off and also would mess up the business side of it as well because HBO would eventually turn on one of the fighters and would not support them.

                      So I believe that Mr. Williams should continue fighting at either 160 or 168 lbs, and will eventually get his just due. He's not a big attraction, he believes that he is the most feared in which he is not, and he's looking for that big payday but again, he is not a big attraction, and the publics interest is not high enough for a Mayweather-Williams fight. IMO. Everyone have a great day.

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