Simple Question What's The Proof Pac is on Roids?

[Tamis!]

I accept your concession.

OK.

That's why I just laugh my arse off everytime someone uses that dumb logic, it's not even argueable...

LOL!

[MCVAGINA]

One thing we DO KNOW if that Pacquiao cheats out of the ring

So who is to say he doesnt in the ring? His constant ducking of random drug testing makes you think he is on something. I think he is

[Counter Punch]

There is no proof. Only high speculation and probabilty due to his su****ious behavior.

If there was proof they wouldn't need OST.

[Anabolism]

Like many others have said, there is no proof. Just su****ions because of his success in the ring in his last few fights

[Fish_Scotland]

(I'll probably get accused of being a ******* by a minority of idiotic posters)

If you question a boxer that has had clean tests his entire career of being on roids because another boxer is trying to implement his own testing schedule you must surely have to think that every other boxer that has not followed Floyds testing system is questionable???

Oh wait, that would mean the only clean boxers for certain are Floyd and erm Mosley. Slightly ironic given Mosleys past.

I can understand why people question why Pac won't do it and I have too, I've really fought hard about it and considered all sides of the arguement.

If what Floyd is requesting was put into the perspective of any other sport, it would be deemed outragous. Okay boxing doesn't have a central governing body which contributes a long way to shambles like this but it's not for Floyd to decide.

Morally I completly agree with Pacmans stance on this. Who does Floyd think he is to suggest whatever the commission puts in place in terms of testing in inadequate. Surely if what he(Floyd) is trying to implement had any serious foundation then he surely must be aware of something or some drug that is getting past the usual testing process? If he was serious about cleaning up the sport why hasn't he had serious discussion with the powers that be and given evidence of where their testing system fails? If he was serious about this why did this testing only come to light at the 12 hour of negotiations in his career defining fight? (Could it be that he's got his father back in the corner?)

You only have to watch and listen to Floyds own words in the 24/7 to know(from his own mouth) that he is not in anyway serious about cleaning up the sport. E1 While ripping into Mosley he say he's fighting to secure his legacy and too clean up the sport. By E3 it had changed to 'I fight for money'.

So to sum up.

Lets not believe Floyd is trying to clean up the sport, he's not. That would suggest he was trying to improve the sport, he's not. (not out of the ring anyway).

He is simply undermining Pacmans reputation and more over the sport itself with these accusations. If he had any evidence he'd had come forward with it. (I don't buy into 'take the tests' floyd is governing body, in what other sport do players decide the rules?)

There is probably no reason other than moral reasons Pacman won't do the tests (see we'll always question pac now due to accusations with no foundation)

I'd bet that Floyd Snr who for weeks leading up to pacman negotiations was trying to suggest pacman was on drugs is the sole and only reason the whole issue was brought up. Again rather ironic giving he was in jail from 92-98 on..........drum roll.............. drug trafficking.

I don't think the Mayweathers (collectively) can take the moral high ground with any other other boxer and I'm surprised so many of you have been taken in with the suggestions that ultimately came from a CONVICTED drug trafficker.

[Marvellous1]

"Who does Floyd think he is to suggest whatever the commission puts in place in terms of testing in inadequate. "

The level of fighter Manny thinks he is to decide that the weight limits put in place by ALL commissions aren't adequate and therefore he can impliment his own for a welterweight title shot. He didn't discuss this with anyone. Just made it part of his demands which were conceded to. If Cotto said no, would anyone care? They sure don't care as much because he agreed.

I'll ask again, is there any proof that Usain Bolt is on steriods? Would there be if he didn't undergo stringent testing? No. Why should he and all other top sprinters do it (remember they can get banned for not testing, not just for failing)? To prove that everyone going into competition is clean beyond all doubt. Manny shouldn't take the tests to prove he's innocent, he should do it to make the fight, whip Mayweather's ass if he can and help the sport along the way (not to mention making more money than any of us could imagine).

[seasider]

(I'll probably get accused of being a ******* by a minority of idiotic posters)

If you question a boxer that has had clean tests his entire career of being on roids because another boxer is trying to implement his own testing schedule you must surely have to think that every other boxer that has not followed Floyds testing system is questionable???

Oh wait, that would mean the only clean boxers for certain are Floyd and erm Mosley. Slightly ironic given Mosleys past.

I can understand why people question why Pac won't do it and I have too, I've really fought hard about it and considered all sides of the arguement.

If what Floyd is requesting was put into the perspective of any other sport, it would be deemed outragous. Okay boxing doesn't have a central governing body which contributes a long way to shambles like this but it's not for Floyd to decide.

Morally I completly agree with Pacmans stance on this. Who does Floyd think he is to suggest whatever the commission puts in place in terms of testing in inadequate. Surely if what he(Floyd) is trying to implement had any serious foundation then he surely must be aware of something or some drug that is getting past the usual testing process? If he was serious about cleaning up the sport why hasn't he had serious discussion with the powers that be and given evidence of where their testing system fails? If he was serious about this why did this testing only come to light at the 12 hour of negotiations in his career defining fight? (Could it be that he's got his father back in the corner?)

You only have to watch and listen to Floyds own words in the 24/7 to know(from his own mouth) that he is not in anyway serious about cleaning up the sport. E1 While ripping into Mosley he say he's fighting to secure his legacy and too clean up the sport. By E3 it had changed to 'I fight for money'.

So to sum up.

Lets not believe Floyd is trying to clean up the sport, he's not. That would suggest he was trying to improve the sport, he's not. (not out of the ring anyway).

He is simply undermining Pacmans reputation and more over the sport itself with these accusations. If he had any evidence he'd had come forward with it. (I don't buy into 'take the tests' floyd is governing body, in what other sport do players decide the rules?)

There is probably no reason other than moral reasons Pacman won't do the tests (see we'll always question pac now due to accusations with no foundation)

I'd bet that Floyd Snr who for weeks leading up to pacman negotiations was trying to suggest pacman was on drugs is the sole and only reason the whole issue was brought up. Again rather ironic giving he was in jail from 92-98 on..........drum roll.............. drug trafficking.

I don't think the Mayweathers (collectively) can take the moral high ground with any other other boxer and I'm surprised so many of you have been taken in with the suggestions that ultimately came from a CONVICTED drug trafficker.

You can question Mayweather's motives all you want but let's not forget that it's the Pacquiao camp that have made ridiculous non-commission demands like the penalty for going overweight and the the glove thickness which Floyd agreed to. If Pacquiao can get away with making these ****** demands about fines, gloves and catchweights then why is it such a big deal for them that Floyd makes this demand? Yet Pacquiao's camp keeps making this excuse that Manny thinks taking blood weakens him and they know it's B.S. Notice how Roach and Ariza will always say "Manny doesn't like..." or "Manny believes..." or "Manny thinks..." when they're supposed be the experts. Roach is right however that Floyd doesn't run the sport but neither does his fighter so both camps need to cut the crap and ****** demands and make the fight happen.

[The Big Dunn]

can u tell me?

I will try to answer the original question.

There is no proof Manny is taking PED's. Which leads to the next question, why is there no proof? There is no proof because either:

a. manny has never taken any PED's when preparing for a fight or
b. the urine testing given to manny has not been able to detect any PED's.

This is where it gets murky. die hard Pac fans just answer a and don't want to hear anything else about it. non manny fans and floyd fans tend to answer b. not because they hate manny or think he's a cheater, but because we have seen this happen so much in sports (marion jones, arod, mcwire, sosa, ben johnson, bonds, shane, etc.). There was no proof that these athletes cheated either. Until there was proof.

All most of us want is for both fighters, manny and floyd, to show us they did not cheat their way to earning millions of dollars.

There is only one way that Manny can assure his die hard fans that a. is the right answer, by testing negative on every random blood test just like he has every random urine test. There is only one way manny can shut up the haters, *****s, floyd stans, gayweathers etc etc., by passing every random blood tests just like he has every urine test.

So many Pac fans think he is gonna ko floyd easy. They post floyd is scared, jealous, runner etc. Since all of you believe floyd is so much of an underdog, aren't any of you worried he may cheat by using PED's so he can get the power to ko Pac or have more endurance to run awat? It would seem you would want floyd taking the same random blood tests to prevent this from happening!

So why can't we all agree that both fighters taking the same OST while training answers any questions or concerns any fan has about cheating.

[Statyk]

can u tell me?

Question is for Floyd: "is someone really that good that the only way to achieve it is thru steroids?"

[IMDAZED]

Imagine if Pac had just said yes. Then we'd have proof of his innocence or guilt.