Says it all Nothing against graphic designers/fashion photographers but guys like you exist for guys like me :-) See the difference is your an off and on fan but I'm a on and on fan and that makes a big difference. A nutjob is someone who can't respect someone else's opinion. I'm ready to leave our conversation alone are you? Cause anybody who thinks Mosley pursued Floyd until he got this fight there's no debating with. You just leave them be and let them figure out whether their coming or going. :-)
i got you bro, its all good debates are always fun. im ALWAYS open to get schooled... like ive said before, the "who ducked who" debate is endless... there is ALWAYS two sides. this is boxing, plenty of trash talk and flip-flopping contradictions.... so i dont want to waste my time keeping tabs. but all this "*****" & "*******" talk sets me off bro.... theres no need for it, check my posts, im fairly unbiased.... but i admit, lately ive been standing my ground with floyd fanboys.... all i want to see is some level-headed boxing talk... not some floyd is god / manny is the greatest.... its all rubbish... seriously, both fighters need to accomplish more to be considered ATG.... do you agree with that???? boxing yoda???
i got you bro, its all good debates are always fun. im ALWAYS open to get schooled... like ive said before, the "who ducked who" debate is endless... there is ALWAYS two sides. this is boxing, plenty of trash talk and flip-flopping contradictions.... so i dont want to waste my time keeping tabs. but all this "*****" & "*******" talk sets me off bro.... theres no need for it, check my posts, im fairly unbiased.... but i admit, lately ive been standing my ground with floyd fanboys.... all i want to see is some level-headed boxing talk... not some floyd is god / manny is the greatest.... its all rubbish... seriously, both fighters need to accomplish more to be considered ATG.... do you agree with that???? boxing yoda???
Floyd is no God don't get it twisted. Like I've always said none of these dudes would be successful @147 in the day of Leonard and Hearns. I don't think Manny would've gotten past Salvadore Sanchez or Wilfredo Gomez definitely not Hector Camacho @135 let lone Duran and Floyd would have caught hell tryna get pass Aaron Pryor and wouldn't have stood much of a chance against a prime Leonard or Hearns. I don't think neither fighter can be compared to the greats because they don't have the great opponents to make them truly great. So I feel you on that.
Floyd is no God don't get it twisted. Like I've always said none of these dudes would be successful @147 in the day of Leonard and Hearns. I don't think Manny would've gotten past Salvadore Sanchez or Wilfredo Gomez definitely not Hector Camacho @135 let lone Duran and Floyd would have caught hell tryna get pass Aaron Pryor and wouldn't have stood much of a chance against a prime Leonard or Hearns. I don't think neither fighter can be compared to the greats because they don't have the great opponents to make them truly great. So I feel you on that.
there we go, hooray for common ground. this whole time i thought you were a "*****" & you thought i was a "*******". LOL.
i agree with you on all points homie. lets hope all these p4p'ers get in the ring and finally give us our moneys worth. its not the hagler/hearns days but we have a pretty decent crop of talent at WW.
Lets address what seems obvious.... Im not going to speculate what would happen if Money fought Clottey OR if Pac fought Mosley (pure speculation and not factual basis to back it up so we will leave that discussion alone)
You are stating that Pac is the true ppv top draw.... is that right? You want to compare events during a similar time frame right?
So my question is what kind of number would this weekend have to pull for you to say Mayweather is the bigger draw? 2X as much as Pac v Clottey (1.4 mill....), 3x as much (2.1 mill...).
Enough of the speculation.... Ive gone on record that if the fight does anywhere in the 2mil range.... Mayweather would once again by the numbers prove he is the bigger draw (that would give credit for all 700k buys from pac fans with an additional 1million buys credited to pac for lack of promotion from HBO and 24/7 (similar to the 1million buys from floyd v jmm)... Tell me your number or tell me where my logic is wrong.
If floyd solidifies his ppv status this weekend ..... negotiation advantage to Floyd and Pac will have a decision to make .... agree to split and testing..... or walk away and let history judge.
gutz quote Only way you should compare PPV # are recent events.. Pac/Cotto, PFB/JMM was around the same time. and Pac did better #s..
Now is it fair to compare Clottey to Mosley.. Who ever fighting Mosley will have the higher PPV #s..
And if the roles are switched.. Would PFB do better numbers then Pac vs Clottey.. I dont think so..
Where are you Gutz? Are you going on record or not?
..One million man will get to see Jr. get pounded by Sugar. Jr's exactly right bout him not needing Pac and that is because he will be up against Clottey or Cotto. I'd like to see Jr win but unlike the betting odds, I see Sugar stopping Jr between 5 and 8.
Ok who the F**** gives a **** about PPV's anyways it's not we get money!!! And why is floyds gota this horse **** up again he knows he can draw in a big fight so can PAC!! PAC did more in the cotto fight in PPV's more than floyd v marquez...and floyds gona do more than PAC cuz he's fighting shane and shane a way bigger star than clottey not even close clottey is..so depending on what floyds and PAC's opponents r they have a bigger draw but still PAC's fan base way bigger than floyds...even in the oscar fight it's was mostly a Hispanic crowd..hatton all British fans..marquez Hispanic crowd again..floyds very smart the way he makes money gets the biggest draws as much as possible..very smart..
How about Mayweather fights Clottey? ... and Manny fights Shane?... I wonder which will gain better PPVs??
clottey don't punch back..mayweather doesn't fight people who don't defend them self...and shane came to freddys gym asking for a fight..roach said ur too good of a fighter..so he had to find someone who had the balls..pacquiao don't belong in the group with shane a floyd..they're not scared of blood tests ahahahahhahahhahahhaha
clottey don't punch back..mayweather doesn't fight people who don't defend them self...and shane came to freddys gym asking for a fight..roach said ur too good of a fighter..so he had to find someone who had the balls..pacquiao don't belong in the group with shane a floyd..they're not scared of blood tests ahahahahhahahhahahhaha
****, floyd runs more than he fights, wtf you talkin 'bout..........lol
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