why not put the pressure on the commissions?

[V.WEBB]

Thanks CWEBB. I stopped reading his posts three pages ago. BTW, the demand was there from day one.

Right. .......

[pistol whip]

Talk about being MISinformed.

Yes the steroid accusations came first from Big floyd but accusation and drug demands from little floyd are two diffrent things.


Show me Floyd demanding drugtesting up front if I'm so uninformed. They had already negotiated the purse split when all of a sudden drama queen opened his mouth.


By all means show me the time line instead of just making comments out your ass.

[IMDAZED]

Yes the steroid accusations came first from Big floyd but accusation and drug demands from little floyd are two diffrent things.


Show me Floyd demanding drugtesting up front if I'm so uninformed. They had already negotiated the purse split when all of a sudden drama queen opened his mouth.


By all means show me the time line instead of just making comments out your ass.

He just showed you the link. There are more. It was from there from the beginning. So you're wrong. And dumb.

[V.WEBB]

Yes the steroid accusations came first from Big floyd but accusation and drug demands from little floyd are two diffrent things.


Show me Floyd demanding drugtesting up front if I'm so uninformed. They had already negotiated the purse split when all of a sudden drama queen opened his mouth.


By all means show me the time line instead of just making comments out your ass.

I'm not talking about ANY accusations. I'm posting the FACT that Floyd asked and Manny agreed and we HAD a fight......THEN Manny wanted to know AND dictate WHEN he would take a random test and made up a BUNCH of lame excuses in the process.

[Doctor_Tenma]

By making unreasonable demands that favor him and only him!

You do remember that the fight was ready to go when all of a sudden floyd came up with this demand right before all parties were set to sign.


It's not like Floyd had been asking for the drug testing from the get go.

It's really hard to debate against someone who doesn't know half of the information.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Yes the steroid accusations came first from Big floyd but accusation and drug demands from little floyd are two diffrent things.


Show me Floyd demanding drugtesting up front if I'm so uninformed. They had already negotiated the purse split when all of a sudden drama queen opened his mouth.


By all means show me the time line instead of just making comments out your ass.

Negotiations for the mega-fight between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao have broken down over a drug-testing dispute.

The Mayweather camp has demanded both fighters take Olympic-style drug tests - which would require both fighters giving random samples of blood and urine before and after the fight.

Mayweather is claiming that Pacquiao is refusing to be tested 30 days before the fight - which is proposed for March 13.

"We've reached an impasse in the negotiations," said Leonard Ellerbe, the CEO of Mayweather Promotions. "I don't understand why he won't submit to the Olympic-style testing. All we're seeking is that the fight be held on a level playing field. If it's good enough for Floyd, Michael Phelps, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James and Lance Armstrong. I don't see why it's not good enough for Manny Pacquiao."

In a statement released by Golden Boy Promotions, which is representing Mayweather in the negotiations, Pacquiao's promoters at Top Rank said the Filipino superstar is superstitious about taking medical procedures close to a fight. He still blames his first loss against Erik Morales on having his eyes dilated for an eye test.

Pacquiao's trainer Freddie Roach says he's OK with testing, as long as it's not right before the bout.

"I will not let my fighter take a blood test the day before a fight," Roach told the Associated Press. "If they give me a five-day window or something like that I have no problem with it."

Roach said he hoped the issue wasn't brought up as a way to get Mayweather out of the fight.

"He's looking for a back door out," Roach said. "We're eager to fight."

While this could be viewed as some gamesmanship by Mayweather, apparently he is taking it seriously enough that it could become a deal breaker.

There has been much talk in boxing circles about Pacquiao's power, which has gotten greater as he has risen through boxing's weight classes. Pacquiao, who began his career at 106 pounds in 1995, fought and won at three different weight classes in 2008, defeating Juan Manuel Marquez on a split decision at junior lightweight, stopping David Diaz on a TKO at lightweight and then stopping Oscar De La Hoya by TKO at 142 pounds. This year Pacquiao has KO'd Ricky Hatton at junior welterweight and Miguel Cotto at welterweight.

Ellerbe said it is the final hurdle in the negotiations for a highly anticipated match that is expected to break all previous financial records for a major boxing promotion.

"We hope that Manny will do the right thing and agree to the testing as it is an egregious act to deny the testing and hence, deny the millions of fans the right to see this amazing fight," Ellerbe said. "We just want to make sure there is a level playing field in a sport that is a man-to-man contest that relies on strength and ability."



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Thanks CWEBB. I stopped reading his posts three pages ago. BTW, the demand was there from day one.

it depends on which day one are you talking about. if i remember right arum even went to the Philippines bringing with him a proposal for pac to fight floyd. pac agreed right away...you think he would agree if floyd's demand was already in that proposal?

[BERNIE'S CORNER]

I'm not a fan of this olympic style drug testing for the fights with it being a stipulation brought about from the fighters and not the commissions.

my point, and i'm using floyd in this one, since he is the epicenter of all this mess.

floyd says he's changing the sport, but, he's only changing it one fighter at a time, and not as a whole.
my point being, why didn't/doesn't floyd put the pressure on the commissions instead on individual fighters, now anyone who wants to fight him, which wont be anything to really change boxing since he rarely fights.

why not lean on the commissions to make the change with the testing policy? why not push to make it a blanket rule over all of boxing, instead of who one picks and chooses?

picking one guy, and not picking another for drug testing isnt the way to change anything in the sport of boxing, where change is something that isnt even in the grand scheme of things in boxing.

also to boot, where was floyd during the Ali Act hearing? Hopkins was there, he stood up and voiced his opinion and spoke out for fairness and change for fighters, not just himself, but for every fighter, mayweather only wants the OST for himself and who he fights, saying he's changing the sport is something that is a selling point to casual fans, people who get all their boxing info from espn and local media.

does anyone see what i'm saying in seeing the difference between someone who wants to make change for boxing and someone who wants to circumvent the rules to benefit himself?

if real change was the mission, then floyd would've gone to the commissions and said this (OST) needs to be implemented in the sport, not pick one guy and say, he's dirty, he needs to take test to prove it and since i've said that and critics are now calling me out, now every fighter that i fight has to take OST. thats not change for the sport, that is a narrowing of the playing field, making less fighters available for floyd to fight, since i doubt that everyone will want to take extra tests that the commissions don't mandate.

like i said, im' not opposed to the testing, just the fact that it's not a policy of the commissions.

PUT THE PRESSURE ON THE COMMISSIONS TO CHANGE THE TESTING POLICY, NOT THE FIGHTERS, TO MAKE CHANGE IN THE SPORT OF BOXING.


agree or disagree??????

I would have to agree with you to a certain extent. Floyd knowingly or unknowingly has put pressure on the commissions to change its policy. If he (Floyd) continues to demand olympic style drug testing against his opponents the commissions will be forced to change its stance on the position. Whether Floyd"s antics are produced for selfish reasons or out of guilt should not be the topic. Change should! If change is made Floyd should be given credit whether we like or dislike him for whatever his motivations are. Change always starts with one individual and periodicly for different reasons. To me I could'nt care less who that someone is as long as changes are implemented.

[Biolink]

so what's the commission's rule for going over the agreed weight? was floyd penalized by nsac for going over the agreed weight against jmm? as far as i know he only had to pay jmm an amount as stipulated in the fight contract and not the commission. so is there really a commission rule for going over the weight limit? i don't think so (correct me if i'm wrong)...i believe they leave it to the fighters to decide for themselves what's the appropriate penalty. of course previous offenders usually gets a higher amount of penalty.

A title holder gets his title stripped, and I believe he has to pay a fine. I believe that's what happened to Pacquiao, before he was Koed by Singsurat.

I don't think this applies to catch weights because catch weights aren't(Or at least shouldn't) be recognized by the boxing bodies. That's why in catch weights they usually write their own penalties into it about weight.

[V.WEBB]

It's really hard to debate against someone who doesn't know half of the information.

That aint the half of it Dom.