The following is not hard information to come by if you do a bit of reading on Pacquiao.
Pacquiao turned pro at 16, and was a world champion at 19 years of age. He didn't "all of a sudden" become good. He first lost a fight at just 17 years of age, already having moved up from 108 to 112lbs. He stuck there until winning the WBC Flyweight title and losing it to a guy unbeaten in 18 fights - apparently he had trouble making weight. After his 2nd loss, he would move up two weight classes to 122lbs and he's still only 21 years old. (Many men do not stop growing until their early 20s, btw, physiology 101.) When he drew with Marquez it was documented at the time he was struggling to make 126lbs. Pacquiao steps up to 130lbs and his first fight is with Morales, which he loses. There is no shame in losing to Erik Morales and he came back to dominate the guy twice and effectively ruin him at 130lbs. He is struggling to make weight again for his final fight at 130lbs against Marquez, and then he goes through 135lbs via Diaz and 140lbs via Hatton for the glory division - the welterweights. Despite this, his actual weight is only a few pounds more on fight night than during his later 130lb days (see the graph on this ).
Mayweather makes his pro debut 4 months short of his 20th birthday. Whilst Mayweather is beating up bums (nothing wrong with that early in a career), Pacquiao is already a ring veteran, world champion, and had lost and would soon lose again. One fighter is guided by his team into the boxing world, the other fights his way to the top. Two different men, two different paths, nothing wrong with that. But Pacquiao wasn't some loser who became good due to drugs. Once an established fighter, he only lost once - to Morales. Pacquiao was a kid born in abject poverty, and he built himself from nothing. Mayweather was trained to be a pro boxer from his early years onwards. Not that I am suggesting early life was all gravy for Floyd but he was given a way into the sport by two ex-pro fighters (father, uncle) that Pacquiao just didn't have. Naturally, the filipino is rawer and made more mistakes early in his career.
Whilst we are on the subject of guys who lost early in their careers...
This guy, turns pro, loses in his first pro fight. He then goes on an unbeaten run, interrupted only by the best fighter of his generation, and defends a world title 20 times. Struggling to make weight, he jumps 2 divisions - from middleweight to light heavyweight. That was B-Hop. Drug user?
Here's another. This guy, he's a great prospect, but then loses to a veteran. He then goes on to unify the cruiserweight division and then beat the biggest heavyweight in history. David Haye... must be a drug user.
Or what about guys who go up the divisions?
There was this other guy. A lightweight, he would start at 118lbs, lose after about 30 fights at 140, then go on to beat one of the greatest fighters in history at 147, before winning titles at 154lbs. Total drug user that Roberto Duran.
Or this other guy. He debuted at welterweight (147), and goes on to fight up to 190lbs only losing 3 times on the way (two of whom are the best fighters of his generation) - Thomas Hearns. Drug user?
Fighters losing then going on to do well is not without precedent. Fighters going through the divisions is not without precedent.
So, you say, Pacquiao must be on drugs because he knocked out Hatton in 2 rounds. Well, Pacquiao and Mayweather are 2 different fighters. At that level Mayweather will never knock somebody out in 2 rounds - because he doesn't take risks. He picks his moment. Pacquiao was faster than Hatton, had filled out into 140lbs, and Hatton chose to defend with his chin. Pacquiao is a known ****er, has been his entire career. No surprise there (other than Hatton's tactics). Cotto - Mosley couldn't knock the guy out... but Margarito had. Pacquiao is more accurate, throws from more angles, and hits harder than Margarito (let's set aside cement glove accusations). Styles do make fights, and Cotto with his wide elbow defense was vulnerable to punches from a shorter guy who had the speed and footwork to get inside his jab.
The "must be PEDs" camp doesn't seem to use logic. There's no digging beneath the surface of the accusations. The reality is a fighter has come along and spoilt Mayweather's glory and unsettled the guy and his fans. I like both fighters, and I can't wait to see them fight because - for me - the victor will be one of the greatest fighters of all time.
(This is an edited version of that I made, but wanted to get a broader response to it.)
Pacquiao turned pro at 16, and was a world champion at 19 years of age. He didn't "all of a sudden" become good. He first lost a fight at just 17 years of age, already having moved up from 108 to 112lbs. He stuck there until winning the WBC Flyweight title and losing it to a guy unbeaten in 18 fights - apparently he had trouble making weight. After his 2nd loss, he would move up two weight classes to 122lbs and he's still only 21 years old. (Many men do not stop growing until their early 20s, btw, physiology 101.) When he drew with Marquez it was documented at the time he was struggling to make 126lbs. Pacquiao steps up to 130lbs and his first fight is with Morales, which he loses. There is no shame in losing to Erik Morales and he came back to dominate the guy twice and effectively ruin him at 130lbs. He is struggling to make weight again for his final fight at 130lbs against Marquez, and then he goes through 135lbs via Diaz and 140lbs via Hatton for the glory division - the welterweights. Despite this, his actual weight is only a few pounds more on fight night than during his later 130lb days (see the graph on this ).
Mayweather makes his pro debut 4 months short of his 20th birthday. Whilst Mayweather is beating up bums (nothing wrong with that early in a career), Pacquiao is already a ring veteran, world champion, and had lost and would soon lose again. One fighter is guided by his team into the boxing world, the other fights his way to the top. Two different men, two different paths, nothing wrong with that. But Pacquiao wasn't some loser who became good due to drugs. Once an established fighter, he only lost once - to Morales. Pacquiao was a kid born in abject poverty, and he built himself from nothing. Mayweather was trained to be a pro boxer from his early years onwards. Not that I am suggesting early life was all gravy for Floyd but he was given a way into the sport by two ex-pro fighters (father, uncle) that Pacquiao just didn't have. Naturally, the filipino is rawer and made more mistakes early in his career.
Whilst we are on the subject of guys who lost early in their careers...
This guy, turns pro, loses in his first pro fight. He then goes on an unbeaten run, interrupted only by the best fighter of his generation, and defends a world title 20 times. Struggling to make weight, he jumps 2 divisions - from middleweight to light heavyweight. That was B-Hop. Drug user?
Here's another. This guy, he's a great prospect, but then loses to a veteran. He then goes on to unify the cruiserweight division and then beat the biggest heavyweight in history. David Haye... must be a drug user.
Or what about guys who go up the divisions?
There was this other guy. A lightweight, he would start at 118lbs, lose after about 30 fights at 140, then go on to beat one of the greatest fighters in history at 147, before winning titles at 154lbs. Total drug user that Roberto Duran.
Or this other guy. He debuted at welterweight (147), and goes on to fight up to 190lbs only losing 3 times on the way (two of whom are the best fighters of his generation) - Thomas Hearns. Drug user?
Fighters losing then going on to do well is not without precedent. Fighters going through the divisions is not without precedent.
So, you say, Pacquiao must be on drugs because he knocked out Hatton in 2 rounds. Well, Pacquiao and Mayweather are 2 different fighters. At that level Mayweather will never knock somebody out in 2 rounds - because he doesn't take risks. He picks his moment. Pacquiao was faster than Hatton, had filled out into 140lbs, and Hatton chose to defend with his chin. Pacquiao is a known ****er, has been his entire career. No surprise there (other than Hatton's tactics). Cotto - Mosley couldn't knock the guy out... but Margarito had. Pacquiao is more accurate, throws from more angles, and hits harder than Margarito (let's set aside cement glove accusations). Styles do make fights, and Cotto with his wide elbow defense was vulnerable to punches from a shorter guy who had the speed and footwork to get inside his jab.
The "must be PEDs" camp doesn't seem to use logic. There's no digging beneath the surface of the accusations. The reality is a fighter has come along and spoilt Mayweather's glory and unsettled the guy and his fans. I like both fighters, and I can't wait to see them fight because - for me - the victor will be one of the greatest fighters of all time.
(This is an edited version of that I made, but wanted to get a broader response to it.)
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