Who is the better fighter, who has the better legacy...Tito or Oscar?

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They are just two of the best fighters of our era...

Hey Boruk, I think this statement says it all...

First off let me say that you are a very good poster and there is nothing wrong with loyalty, too me it is one of the most important things a man can have, yeah loyalty can sometimes blind people, hell it blinds everyone at different moments but in a wierd way that is one of the special things that being loyal will do to someone. Your buddy may be dead wrong in a bar and get jumped and if you are truly loyal then you will jump in and go to war, not because what your buddy was doing was right but because of his "body of work" as your friend...a fighter, or a sports team is no different, you protect Tito because he has given you countless memories that have enhanced your life as well as your countries...sticking by him is what being loyal is all about and I would expect nothing less from you.

Now, your original statment above too me is very telling. Obviously you are probably still in a bit of shock about last saturday but reality is also starting to creep in with you-which is what I sense in your statement. I bet if we would have had this conversation a year ago or even a couple of weeks ago there is no way in ****ing hell that you would quietly say that Oscar and Tito are two of the best fighters of their era...sure you believe that but had this thread have played out like it has a week ago you would be soley in Tito's corner giving arguments that would better explain why Felix is better than Oscar...there is no way you would have gone with a tie as your statement indicates.

Now that saturday has played out the way it has even the most diehard Tito fans that consider themselves true boxing fans cannot really credibly back up their man anymore in terms of a comparison to a guy like Hoya, sure you can always back him up but in your heart you know your wrong.

I feel for you, it sucks when you love a fighter or a team or a person so much and then they blow up, but that is exactly what Tito did and it was not the first time and if he fights again it will not be the last...Every fighter just about loses but in Trinidad's two defeats he has been completely humiliated...Against Nard and Winky he without a shadow of a doubt did not belong in that ring and when we are talking about great fighters in the future these performances will stand out and 9 times out of 10 eliminate Tito from winning any mythical matchups that everyone likes to imagine...

you can't lose every round too Winky without some repercussions, you can easily make a case that he did not clearly win one round against NArd, against Oscar it appeared to be A vs. B, fortunately for Tito Oscar's fight plan turned into a flight plan and he was able to bask in that fools glory for a lot of years-Like I said in an earlier post Oscar deserves roylaties for what he showed the A fighters of the world that would one day face off with Felix.

So, a week ago you would have fought for Tito with every piece of knowledge you had in you, a week ago Tito was better in your mind than Oscar, but...today you are content with saying that "They are just two of the best fighters of our era..."

Your a loyal dude and that is awesome I respect you for it but the statement above might as well read Oscar is above Tito.

Hey Boruk, Cotto is a tough mother ****er and I think he can surpass Tito, obviously he has a long long way to go before that happens but we will all have a real good time talking **** as he tries to make a climb to the top for you and all of the people in the island.

[IwatchBoxing]

Tito and the Prince dont belong on that list

Trinidad does, and the best fighters have style and give the fans what they want, thats why he is there, his style was crazy, and so where his fights, I dont really know the whole deal about him, but he was a great personality in the ring, and out, had alot of fans. (Prince)

[as214]

Trinidad does, and the best fighters have style and give the fans what they want, thats why he is there, his style was crazy, and so where his fights, I dont really know the whole deal about him, but he was a great personality in the ring, and out, had alot of fans.

Trinidad (Puerto Ricans) and Prince (Arabs) were both very important to their respective contingents, nobody can deny that!! I just think their legacy and places in history will be hurt not by how they won, but by how they lost!! Roy Jones realizes this now that's why he wants to fight the winner of Tarver/Johnson!! I hope Tito is able to eventually put his defeats behind him.. I just hope he never regrets quitting and not giving it another chance in a rematch

[loangunZ]

I would have to say oscar only because I think he thinks for himself alot more in the ring and it better able to adapt his style until tito, for christsakes just kept moving left all damn night long. I really don't think that asnwered the question but I just wante to say it. They both have a great legacy and I only see DLH ahead by a slight margin, he could even have a greater legacy had more mexicans embraced him like they did for chavez but after he beat him I don't see that happening.

[rsl]

Lets just put it this way and it's real easy folks... Atleast Trinidad had the balls to step up to Wright(whether or not he thought it was gonna be easy is irrelevant) I think it's all very clear Delahoya doesn't want anything to do with Winky not now and definitely not before if ducking fighters was an art Delahoya has definitely mastered it well maybe not De la hoya himself, but the brains behind team De la hoya are brilliant in "manuevering" they know what their guy is not capable of. What did Delahoya do against Hopkins, two things for sure he had a funny way of showing that he was the aggressor and it was the worse way of quitting a fight, I mean I can understand if a fighter was getting beaten from pillar to post atleast Trinidad went out on his shield and not only that he was more competitive with Hopkins than Dela fruity was. Lets name another common opponent in Sweet Pea, I mean it was obvious that it wasn't the same Whitaker that faced both Hoya and Trinidad but we all knew who was the clear winner in those 2 bouts. Hmm another funny thing is too for a guy that got robbed De La fruity didn't seem to eager to go after the thief that robbed him in Trinidad, he did the same thing w/ Shane only after Mosley suffered consecutive concussions did he decide to take him on.

[The Fix]

Mike Tyson, Trinidad, Roy Jones Jr, Oscar De La Hoya, and the Prince are the best of this era, you stop right at Trinidad for whatever reason, but it doesnt really matter cause enough people have common sense over you, even Roy was planing on having a Mega fight with Trinidad, good list tho I agree, just left out Tito thats all.

common sense? i think that is indeed what you are lacking with very questionable choices and absences. mike tyson maybe but he fell off in 92 and lost to every great fighter he faced. the prince has been running scared since barrera handled him so his inclusion into the best of this era is just wrong.

imo p4p tito doesnt belong with the fighters in my list, i believe he losses to each fighter p4p because he cannot adapt to the styles of boxers. he was a great fighter and had great power in both hands but imo he was just a cut below those guys.

[Exciterx30]

Trinidad loses to awesome boxers like Hopkins and Wright and some start to say that he was overrated and a class below DLH, who clearly lost to Mosley(who is not as good as Hopkins or Wright) and really lost to Sturm. I think it's obvious that although Sturm is very talented and has a good style, he is not legendary material yet.

[Brother Mouzone]

dlh and tito are both great fighters and will both be hall of famers. but tito has a better legacy than dlh . alot of people say that oscar really beat tito if you want to look at it that way oscar really lost to whitaker,quartey,and sturm he got gift decisions in all those fights . tito has fought better opposition and never ducked anybody..dlh only fought quartey because he had a 18 month layoff also he always said that he would not fight vargas but after tito gave him a beating he decides to fight him ,vargas was all ready shot when he fought dlh .out of the 2 fighters tito is the most devastating tito ended careers reid,vargas,joppy, were never the same after fighting tito .trinidad also had a better career than dlh at 154 beating reid and vargas and at 160 he destroyed joppy and mayorga .. yes tito got dominated by hopkins and winky at 160 but those guys are top 5 p4p oscar got the gift against sturm and did worst against hopkins than tito .based on this tito has a bigger legacy ..

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dlh and tito are both great fighters and will both be hall of famers. but tito has a better legacy than dlh . alot of people say that oscar really beat tito if you want to look at it that way oscar really lost to whitaker,quartey,and sturm he got gift decisions in all those fights . tito has fought better opposition and never ducked anybody..dlh only fought quartey because he had a 18 month layoff also he always said that he would not fight vargas but after tito gave him a beating he decides to fight him ,vargas was all ready shot when he fought dlh .out of the 2 fighters tito is the most devastating tito ended careers reid,vargas,joppy, were never the same after fighting tito .trinidad also had a better career than dlh at 154 beating reid and vargas and at 160 he destroyed joppy and mayorga .. yes tito got dominated by hopkins and winky at 160 but those guys are top 5 p4p oscar got the gift against sturm and did worst against hopkins than tito .based on this tito has a bigger legacy ..

Your crazy...Oscar got gift decisions against Whitaker and Quartey??? Whitaker fought like a puss, Oscar easily won that fight, I know it is popular to say that he got a questionable decision but if you watch the fight again you will realize that the real travesty would have been if Sweat Pea got the nod.

Quartey got knocked down twice in the fight with Oscar, imagine Ike knocking down Oscar twice and dominating the 12th...too me the fight was on the table in the last round and Oscar went out an blew away Ike, he easily had the best round of the fight and you say he got a gift? You must be Puerto Rican?

As for his fight with Sturm, your right it was a gift, I thought he lost that fight in the 12th the same round that all of the judges gave to the golden boy...

Sturm was a real luck out for Oscar but his victories against Pernell and Ike are hardly gifts, go back and watch those fights again and you will realize that the word "gift" is a ****ing joke.

Love Scap

[adeelr]

Oscar dela hoya is by far the better fighter and the one with a better legacy, he deserves to be in the hall of fame, Tito doesn't now, he might still do if he doesnot retire and fights some good fights, but as far as the question of legacy goes, Oscar has built a great one, he has taken defeats and emerged better after them, he is an all time great.