Pacquiao-Mayweather debacle: Montoya's take

[FightFreak]

Can it get any clearer?

Floyd played chicken and lost... The bluff was called. Game over.

[AIR_KENG]

This makes absolutely no sense. If you truly feel that it's a low blow to suspect that a pro athlete is taking PEDs, then you should feel like it's a low blow to have these athletes subject to drug testing period. If you think that one has to have proof that an athlete is using before you can suspect them of something, then why are you for drug testing in pro sports at all? Why are you ok with simple urine testing? Because it's easy to beat? Because it doesn't inconvenience the athletes as much? "Having the athletes subject themselves to lax drug testing that they can easily beat is ok, but asking them to submit to more stringent testing that minimizes any chance they may have of beating it is a low blow." What kind of idiotic logic is that?

Here's the thing, if USADA have confirmed themselves that urine testing is sufficient why even consider blood testing? And why is it just an issue now with Manny Pacquiao, considering that he has been clean all his career? Because Floyd think he's juicing? Come on, if they believed he was juicing and still say "easy fight, easy money, easy" right after the Cotto fight, then they should not really have a problem right?

They were bullies. Bad for them the one they bullied this time stood his ground and is fighting back.

[Pacdbest]

I like this part!!!

Back to the 40 mil, Manny can afford to walk away from the payday. He’ll make his 10-14 mil elsewhere for sure. Floyd is the one who needs this cash. 40 million will go a long way to easing his financial bleeding. A rematch would be even better for him. As it stands, without Pacquiao, he is going to have to fight someone tough to get that kind of cash. He’s run out of soft touches. It’s why even though the fight is off the table as far as Team Pacquiao, Ellerbe says "We’re still hopeful we can make a deal. We’re not talking about anyone but Manny Pacquiao." Manny Pacquaio” which is a big turnaround from Floyd’s pre-Marquez stances of “He’s a good little fighter” and “People forget Manny Pacquiao has three losses and has been knocked out before” or even better “I don’t chase fighters. Fighters chase me. I says what goes in boxing.” Apparently not.

Floyd needs that 40 mil. Manny doesn’t. Simple as that. Bluff called. Fight over.


Floyd thought Pac will not say yes for this fight because it's too soon, He even said to Pac " Step up to the Plate!" He never ever thought Pac will say yes right away. Now he's making all these excuses not to fight him!!! Cmon Floyd... you said this fight will be easy??? Why so many excuses???

[- JCHING -]

I like this part!!!

Back to the 40 mil, Manny can afford to walk away from the payday. He’ll make his 10-14 mil elsewhere for sure. Floyd is the one who needs this cash. 40 million will go a long way to easing his financial bleeding. A rematch would be even better for him. As it stands, without Pacquiao, he is going to have to fight someone tough to get that kind of cash. He’s run out of soft touches. It’s why even though the fight is off the table as far as Team Pacquiao, Ellerbe says "We’re still hopeful we can make a deal. We’re not talking about anyone but Manny Pacquiao." Manny Pacquaio” which is a big turnaround from Floyd’s pre-Marquez stances of “He’s a good little fighter” and “People forget Manny Pacquiao has three losses and has been knocked out before” or even better “I don’t chase fighters. Fighters chase me. I says what goes in boxing.” Apparently not.

Floyd needs that 40 mil. Manny doesn’t. Simple as that. Bluff called. Fight over.


Floyd thought Pac will not say yes for this fight because it's too soon, He even said to Pac " Step up to the Plate!" He never ever thought Pac will say yes right away. Now he's making all these excuses not to fight him!!! Cmon Floyd... you said this fight will be easy??? Why so many excuses???

And what are these excuses Floyd's making?

Agreeing to the date, the weight, glove size, the money split, weight penalties? Compromising greatly on his request of both sides undergoing blood tests?

I don't see where you're getting that Floyd doesn't want this fight from..

[thatnickuh]

And you're just another Pac-hater, how's that for starters.

This is an incredibly weak an embarrassing come back. It's a shame that you couldn't do any better. I don't hate Pacquiao nor have I said anything that would make a reasonable person think that I hate Pacquiao.

1) The thing about you *****s is, you always start off pretending to be neutral, when you are clearly not. Come out of the closet. You'll feel better.

Who are you supposed to be? I don't have to pretend for you or anyone else here. I come across as being neutral because I am neutral. I just want to see the two fight with the best man winning. You seem to think that throwing accusations at me is an effective way to counter my argument. It's not. How about you back your accusations up with some kind of evidence to support them?

2) Mayweather's request is not a request, it is an ultimatum. Fight gets called off unless it is in place.

This is false actually. His original request was for he and Pacquiao to submit to unlimited random blood testing which would be conducted by the USADA. In an effort to compromise with Pacquiao and make the fight, he conceded on the USADA and unlimited random blood testing part of his request. Pacquiao's team has flip flopped all over the place as far as what they will agree to as far as random blood testing. It seems as if they had no intention of agreeing to random blood testing like they originally said. You can't blame Mayweather for that.

3) All professional athletes SHOULD be tested for PEDs, YES, BUT the fact is, THEY ARE NOT. You single out a particular professional and accuse him of cheating, demand that he undergo testing, and react surprised when he reacts like you are attacking his person? What are you, ******, or just playing one, because it is not your boy's name that is not being dragged through the mud?

First of all, all pro athletes must submit to drug testing. Which pro sport doesn't test their athletes? You obviously missed the rather obvious point. Seems like you're the ****** one. Let me try this again. All athletes are suspected of using PEDs, that is why they are tested in the 1st place. What part of that don't you understand? The argument that Pacquiao is right in walking away from this fight because Mayweather suspects that he may be using PEDs that allow him to beat the current drug testing system is invalid. If his feelings or pride are hurt because people are su****ious that he may be using PEDs then he needs to retire from pro boxing. You keep acting as if he's the only one who will be subjected to the random blood testing. Mayweather will be taking the same tests, so he's not being singled out. Stop being so overprotective over a grown man. Pacquiao's trainer initially agreed to the testing, so the argument that he's refusing out of principle is complete bull****. With all of the flip flopping and contradictions that we have seen from team Pacquiao, why don't you question the things that they say? It's Pacquiao's refusal to comply with Mayweather's request and the numerous flemsy excuses and outright lies that his team has given for not complying that has caused his name to be drug through the mud. It's not because of anything that anybody from team Mayweather or GBP have said.

Why are you as a fan so concerned with Pacquiao's feelings? Can you be honest for at least 1 second and admit that there is a possibility that Pacquiao or Mayweather may be using PEDs? If so, then why are you as socalled boxing fan not for both fighters submitting to more stringent testing just to make sure that the are clean when they meet in the ring? People like you don't seem to be real boxing fans, you're just groupies.

4) If you want to clean the sport, demand that ALL professional boxers be subject to random blood and urine testing all year round. And address your concerns to the proper forum, and to the proper authority. You don't destroy a person's career WITHOUT BASIS AND JUSTIFY IT BY SAYING IT IS FOR THE GOOD OF THE SPORT. What is unfair to particular boxers is unfair to all boxers.

Again, Pacquiao's reaction to Mayweather's request is what has damaged his name and reputation. You refuse to accept that fact. You're not talking as if you're just a boxing fan, you're talking as if you work for team Pacquiao. You come up with all these dumb*ass excuses and such to try and cloud the issue. I'm for random blood testing for all fighters, so why not start with possibly the biggest fight in the last 25 years? Why aren't you looking for both Mayweather and Pacquiao to lead the way? The only way that submitting to the stricter testing would be unfair to Pacquiao would be if Mayweather didn't have to comply. If both fighters are subjected to the same testing, then it's completely fair. What are you, a boxing fan or a Pacquiao groupie?

[thatnickuh]

Very good.

Thats what i thought.....that Pac wouldnt be dictated to. And shouldnt be.

He was insulted by Floyd and basically told Floyd to **** off.

And you as a boxing fan are ok with Pacquiao flushing the fight with Mayweather down the drain because his feelings were hurt? You people are pathetic.

Here's the thing, if USADA have confirmed themselves that urine testing is sufficient why even consider blood testing? And why is it just an issue now with Manny Pacquiao, considering that he has been clean all his career? Because Floyd think he's juicing? Come on, if they believed he was juicing and still say "easy fight, easy money, easy" right after the Cotto fight, then they should not really have a problem right?

They were bullies. Bad for them the one they bullied this time stood his ground and is fighting back.

The USADA has not confirmed that urine testing is sufficient genius. If they thought that urine testing was sufficient then why do they subject athletes to blood tests? Common sense seems to be lacking around here. Same old same old. More excuses for Pacquiao and more hate for Mayweather. You people are pathetic. I'm starting to believe that you Pacquiao groupies don't really want to see him in the ring with Mayweather. I don't see any of you being disappointed that the fight is off. If you're scared then just say you're scared.

[FightFreak]

This is an incredibly weak an embarrassing come back. It's a shame that you couldn't do any better. I don't hate Pacquiao nor have I said anything that would make a reasonable person think that I hate Pacquiao.

Who are you supposed to be? I don't have to pretend for you or anyone else here. I come across as being neutral because I am neutral. I just want to see the two fight with the best man winning. You seem to think that throwing accusations at me is an effective way to counter my argument. It's not. How about you back your accusations up with some kind of evidence to support them?

This is false actually. His original request was for he and Pacquiao to submit to unlimited random blood testing which would be conducted by the USADA. In an effort to compromise with Pacquiao and make the fight, he conceded on the USADA and unlimited random blood testing part of his request. Pacquiao's team has flip flopped all over the place as far as what they will agree to as far as random blood testing. It seems as if they had no intention of agreeing to random blood testing like they originally said. You can't blame Mayweather for that.

First of all, all pro athletes must submit to drug testing. Which pro sport doesn't test their athletes? You obviously missed the rather obvious point. Seems like you're the ****** one. Let me try this again. All athletes are suspected of using PEDs, that is why they are tested in the 1st place. What part of that don't you understand? The argument that Pacquiao is right in walking away from this fight because Mayweather suspects that he may be using PEDs that allow him to beat the current drug testing system is invalid. If his feelings or pride are hurt because people are su****ious that he may be using PEDs then he needs to retire from pro boxing. You keep acting as if he's the only one who will be subjected to the random blood testing. Mayweather will be taking the same tests, so he's not being singled out. Stop being so overprotective over a grown man. Pacquiao's trainer initially agreed to the testing, so the argument that he's refusing out of principle is complete bull****. With all of the flip flopping and contradictions that we have seen from team Pacquiao, why don't you question the things that they say? It's Pacquiao's refusal to comply with Mayweather's request and the numerous flemsy excuses and outright lies that his team has given for not complying that has caused his name to be drug through the mud. It's not because of anything that anybody from team Mayweather or GBP have said.

Why are you as a fan so concerned with Pacquiao's feelings? Can you be honest for at least 1 second and admit that there is a possibility that Pacquiao or Mayweather may be using PEDs? If so, then why are you as socalled boxing fan not for both fighters submitting to more stringent testing just to make sure that the are clean when they meet in the ring? People like you don't seem to be real boxing fans, you're just groupies.

Again, Pacquiao's reaction to Mayweather's request is what has damaged his name and reputation. You refuse to accept that fact. You're not talking as if you're just a boxing fan, you're talking as if you work for team Pacquiao. You come up with all these dumb*ass excuses and such to try and cloud the issue. I'm for random blood testing for all fighters, so why not start with possibly the biggest fight in the last 25 years? Why aren't you looking for both Mayweather and Pacquiao to lead the way? The only way that submitting to the stricter testing would be unfair to Pacquiao would be if Mayweather didn't have to comply. If both fighters are subjected to the same testing, then it's completely fair. What are you, a boxing fan or a Pacquiao groupie?

Who are you, Stalin? It is just right that people are accused of cheating without any evidence? Athletes have no right to be presumed innocent until proven otherwise?

Go see a shrink, Hitler Junior. You're one sick puppy.

[thatnickuh]

Who are you, Stalin? It is just right that people are accused of cheating without any evidence? Athletes have no right to be presumed innocent until proven otherwise?

Go see a shrink, Hitler Junior. You're one sick puppy.

You must be mentally handicapped. I'll say it again for you slingblade, ALL PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES ARE SUSPECTED OF USING PEDs. NO ATHLETE IS PRESUMED INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. THAT'S WHY THEY ARE DRUG TESTED IN THE FIRST PLACE. PACQUIAO WAS TESTED FOR PEDs BEFORE HE HAD HIS FIRST PROFESSIONAL FIGHT.

Seriously, are you ****** or what?

[FightFreak]

You people are pathetic.

Who looks pathetic? In which fantasy world other than yours is defamation of character suspended for boxers, sicko? I don't care if you think you're Hitler reincarnated. You can't go **** on anybody.

[thatnickuh]

Who looks pathetic? In which fantasy world other than yours is defamation of character suspended for boxers, sicko? I don't care if you think you're Hitler reincarnated. You can't go **** on anybody.

I've tried to be respectful, but you're a complete idiot. Let's end this conversation now because we aren't getting anywhere.