Comments Thread For: Lack of Vision Hinders The Sport of Boxing

[DonTaseMeBrah]

Don King was a disease, don't even think of getting all nostalgic. Talk about the few good things he did when he was cutting his teeth, but leave out the parts where he owned the Heavyweight division and effectively bled it dry... leaving it as the bastard child that it is today. Never mind that he circulated the title amongst his fighters placing ridiculous contractual demands on any outsider that wished to fight for one of his belts, and lets not even talk about how he robbed the fighters...

Boxing is no different than it has ever been. This same **** happened with SRL and Marvin Hagler. They let it simmer for years before making it happen.

The real problem here is Floyd Mayweather. 2009 was a great year for boxing until Floyd came back and not only tied up 147lb, but 140lb and 135lb. Floyd's selfishness is the problem, not the promoters.

Once Floyd is out of the picture, things will get rolling again.

I predict Pacman ends up fighting the winner of Mosley-Berto, Floyd chases a shop worn Cotto, then fakes retirement again.

best post of the thread so far.

MAINSTREAM MARKETING.


Why the **** do you think Nike signed Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Roger Federer, Tiger Woods, Serena and Venus Williams, even Manny Pacquiao?

Because they APPEAR THE MOST in their respective sports. The most casual of basketball fans will know MJ and Kobe. The most casual tennis fan will know Federer, Venus, and Serena. The most casual golfer will know Tiger. The most casual boxing fan(85% of fans from the phillipines) will know Pacman.

Why the **** do you think American Idol is so great? It's on ****ing fox. Not HBO. Why do you think WWE is so ****in popular even though everyone and their 90 year old grandmother knows its fake? Because it is on USA and WGN.

IF YOU MARKET TO THE MAINSTREAM YOU WILL GET MAINSTREAM ATTENTION.

If you continue showing fights only on HBO and Showtime. Only the people who know boxing will watch it. Do you think all those seats at the MGM are filled with hardcore boxing fans? NO. Why? Because they have a big ass sign out in Vegas, a big ass titantron, showing who is fighting. Along with their ****in 24/7 trailers.

If boxing goes to the mainstream. You get more popularity. Since it doesn't do that. It wont get **** in terms of popularity that the hardcore fans, boxers, and promoters want.

Dont get **** twisted. If you Market your product correctly. You will get what you want.

but the guy who has TO ASK FOR REEBOK shoes thinks he's better than the guy who has a nike deal.

Not just with JMM, but it also potentially robbed another fighter of a career defining victory.

Boxing has always survived on the old lion being eat by the young lion, not the old lion moving up 2 weights to get humiliated by the middle age lion.

Without wins over Hopkins, Taylor is nobody. You take the big names out of a division, and the young guys have nobody to make their name off of, you ruin a whole generation.

Thats why Floyd is such a ****bag. Imagine if Tim Bradley was able to give Hatton that first loss instead of him. Bradley would be a superstar already, instead of having to work for it slowly.

All Floyd does is steal opportunities.

2nd best post of the thread.

the problem is mayweather wants the most money and all the power. if he can't have both he will do everything to ruin the sport. he is threatened by a guy like pacquaio who is a better fighter and way more popular with the fans. pac man has a whole country supporting him and mayweather can barely get his family to support him. he ruined this fight with ridiculous demands that he had never demanded before and he is to blame. plain and simple.

[Go Blue]

!! Shawn your blind hate for Mayweather is disgusting.

Mayweather coming back had nothing to do with any problems the sport has.

He came back to fight Manny.

He took a tune up fight with JMM to shake off 21 months of ring rust, then he went after Pac.

The fight didnt get signed..and will prolly happen in September.

Stop with the hate.

[Mr. Chago]

I never denied Mayweather's talent.

I don't hate Mayweather himself,I don't know him personnaly.

I just hate his behaviour wich is maybe one of the most annoying and scandalous in the history of the sport.

Same was with Ali...PBF will be remembered as ATG...everybody hates him now, but later thing are seeing on a different way.

PAC fight has to happen sooner or later and that will be facing the ATG hence not ducking good competition? or not?...until then lets all just hope we can get to see this fight in 2010.

[LastManStanding]

"The one that wanted to fight in the ring or the one who wanted to fight in court? "
How do you know Manny doesn't want the fight in the ring.
Your vision is one sided.Who is askin for something of pretty much unusual and maybe useless???
Both bitched.That's it.

Floyd needs Manny,Manny doesn't need Floyd,and I think it's obvious when you look at the negociations.
Manny's legacy is more than cemented.Floyd is the bigger man and like to fight shorties...

It's not about selfish feelings.There is a controversy roids because of May's camp.
It's a LOW BLOW.Period.
They know Manny isn't on roids.

I have a question for you my dude.

What people will say if Manny get outboxed by Floyd after being tested clean??

Style make fights??

No,
Manny was on juice against Cotto.That's what they will say.They put Manny in a lose,lose situation.Manny have to man up.But that's why Roach and Arum maybe don't want it now.

They ****ed up the fight.I hope CrackHead sr will have to pay a lot.

I completely agree. If I was Manny I would never take the test because it puts him in a lose, lose situation. And IF he really did use steroid, he would be really ****** to sue the mayweathers because he risks of getting caught in court.

[American Dream]

Blame it on Scheafer and De La Hoya. They are the real *******. JMM would have had several exciting fights at 140. These guys ruined it all and put a huge dent in JMM's legacy.

BS..how can a loss to Floyd Mayweather ruin anyones Legacy!
JMM will always be known as the man who outboxed (really won) and gave Pac his hardest fights and then some...

[American Dream]

you must be kidding! One example form the top of my head is the fact that arum is the guy who kept his fighters from facing jm marquez at featerweight when the division was loaded with talent. In a proposed featherweight fight, his terms were so absurd that it was it was obvious he was clearly trying to royally screw marquez out of a fair payday thus killing the fight. His self-interest & propensity to protect his fighters from other top fighters that are not promoted by himself, is one of the reasons why boxing has gone down this slope. I have a hard time associating "vision" with "self-interest & keeping top fights from happening" because you want to protect your fighters. Due to great "vision" you are refering to, boxing fans were screwed out of some dynamite featherweight fights that would have been historic. Thinking:.

Great post!

[Mr. Chago]

It became very clear that for selfish "my feelings" are hurt reasons that he or his team doesnt want to fight in the ring. Again, controverey IS expected when you deal with Mayweather. Its one of the MANY reasons his PPV sales are high. People pay to watch him and people pay to watch him lose. Its no lose situation for Mayweather when it comes to the money aspect of things. Reason he agreed to the 50/50 split when team Pac probably thought it would fall threw.

Think about it. Manny takes the test. Fight is on. How hard is the logic on that? Mayweather being right or wrong about the way he is doing business has nothing to do with team Pac being selfish and pulling the my feelings and legacy are at jeopardy.... which is BS. To the average person, denying these tests make you appear to be guilty. To the DIE HARD ******ed fans on this site who base emotions and feelings first are blind to what is really going on.

Again, if this was anyone but Mayweather involved it wouldn't be such a big deal. Imagine if this was Pac requesting the test and Mayweather didn't want to give into these "RANDOM" tests? Can you say outrage, along with you being PRO "random" test.

If the shoe was on the other foot the same Pac fans disagreeing with these tests would be all about them....

I'm only fair. Mayweather's expected to cause drama, it sells. Its up to Pac to settle it in the ring. NOT the court. Why can't he? He's the one that has the "GO" "NO GO" button...... Mayweather's already in the green to go.... Pac says OK the fight gets made. How hard is that to understand.....?

Youīre totally right, the problem is trying to make people see this without mixing feelings and emotions, same sht with religion and Politics, only worse...

Every person that knows about this without being a hard core boxing fan sees this as PACīs fault, take the tests if your clean, period, doesnīt matter if it has never been asked before...Top level athletes do it without suffering a loss of competitiveness...and PBF will do it too.

[LastQuark]

I'm a fan of Floyd, but I do agree with you. Floyd fighting JMM prevented some interesting fights involving JMM at 135 and 140.

That's a lot of wishful thinking on your part. Like it or not Mayweather brought back the drama desperately needed to the sport of boxing. MMA in 09 was just killing it!

What people need to understand is Mayweather gets paid to be the "bad guy", right now Pac is the one looking "bad". Not the other way around. We ALL know what Mayweather does to every fighter he faces (talks shyt), so why do people act all shocked now? Its expected, its drama, its promotion and it sells in every situation when Mayweather's name is involved. He is a salesman of boxing, like it or not.

Again, right or wrong Mayweather was not the selfish one. Pac is/was. If he would get over his feelings being hurt and "give in" and prove himself with these tests it would have ended everything and could of got the fight underway (outside of the courts). To me, that's being selfish regardless of team Mayweather being right or wrong.

Mayweather is playing games (as mentioned earlier it is expected). Why people don't understand this is beyond me. Mayweather is "bad" only for the good.

Pac just needs to accept that and make the fight, but as the writer explains fighters are becoming to selfish........

and I have no idea what the hell he was getting at about Don King.... I think he had an agenda to make Arum look good who knows.....

I see that Pac is not in your top 10 P4P so I know where you are coming from.

If you are in a party and a host told you do are a woman, will you show your d_i_c_k to the people to prove you are a man? I am sure you will tell the host his demand is unreasonable. If the host continue to insist you are a woman and has no balls, what will you do?

[Mr. Chago]

I see that Pac is not in your top 10 P4P so I know where you are coming from.

If you are in a party and a host told you do are a woman, will you show your d_i_c_k to the people to prove you are a man? I am sure you will tell the host his demand is unreasonable. If the host continue to insist you are a woman and has no balls, what will you do?

What are you talking about??, this is a Pro Athlete not a stupd dinner, all of them get tested in every sport here and then!, it shouldnīt be an issue with some extra tests, why is it a deal breaker? I have no idea, you have to ask PAC...Negotiate!, but after suing itīs kind of ODD now!, whoīs fault is it? the only one that keeps barking since the beginning about other possible opponents is PACīs Team!

[LastQuark]

BS..how can a loss to Floyd Mayweather ruin anyones Legacy!
JMM will always be known as the man who outboxed (really won) and gave Pac his hardest fights and then some...

Is Pac the only legacy you can see in JMM? JMM could have done a lot more! Bradley, Campbell, and anyone in the 140 and 135. He could have wreck havoc there. Had he fought at 140 and became a champ, he will be the first Mexican to have 4 titles in 4 divisions. That will make him big. Compare that to where he is now.