Timeline: Here you see that Pacquiao and his team caused all this controversy.

[PirateGorilla]

No one has ever tested positive for HGH.

[Adamantium]

Arum/Roach are right on the blood tests. If Schaefer goes to the commission for their request for a blood test they will see. HCT levels can increase in people who are dehydrated something most boxers do to make weight, and train at high altitudes. There has been no conclusive scientific evidence to support HGH as a performance enhancer. Roach and Arum did their homework.

So why has Evander Holyfield been using it throughout his career? Obviously he thought he got some kind of gain from using it. I also know that many baseball players have used it. But its neither here nor there, random testing should be the norm in boxing.

The way I see it this whole fiasco has highlighted the fact that the drug testing of the NSAC is not adequate and the organisation needs a major ovwerhaul.

[PirateGorilla]

Since Mayweather backed off on his request of USADA use, then it's only fair that Pacquiao should be randomly tested (blood and urine) for this fight.

[Adamantium]

No one has ever tested positive for HGH.

And the idea that urine tests can detect HGH [Human Growth Hormone] is wrong. I talked to Travis Tygart, CEO of the USADA. He testified before Congress that anyone who says HGH can be detected by a urine test is mistaken. It can only be detected by a blood test.

Maybe that is the reason why?

[Adamantium]

Since Mayweather backed off on his request of USADA use, then it's only fair that Pacquiao should be randomly tested (blood and urine) for this fight.

I agree, if the two biggest names in boxing are willing to submit to random testing then no other boxer will be able to turn it down. Hopefully this whole thing creates some major changes in the NSAC.

[Ray*]

December 11:

Freddie Roach: I have no problem with the testing whatsoever. They can do whatever (Keyword: Whatever) kind of drug testing that they want.

December 14:

Alex Ariza: I am the one in charge, I am the one responsible for what Manny takes. He has no idea what he takes.


December 22:

Early today Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, was contacted by Top Rank President Todd duBoef, who informed Schaefer that Pacquiao would not agree to have his blood taken within 30-days of the bout based on the fighter’s superstition of testing so close to a fight.

Richard Schaefer: Todd told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn’t want to do it so close to the fight. He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight.

In that same day,

Freddie Roach: A urine test is just as qualified as a blood test. [Human growth hormone] is not detected by blood or urine.”

How is HGH test done?

More than one blood sample must be taken on different days, due to rapid changing levels of growth hormone. A test measuring IGF-1 levels may be taken in conjunction, as its levels change much slower. Before blood is drawn, the administering health professional should be informed of any disorders or medication being taken which can lead to bleeding at the site of the puncture.



December 23:

Bob Arum: Manny says that taking blood from him really weakens him. And he doesn't want to do it when he's in training, but he'll do it prior to going into training, and after the fight. Every major doctor will tell you that blood testing shows absolutely nothing.

Freddie Roach: For the record, Pacquiao (Remember, he said Pacquiao) is willing to have his blood drawn before he starts training and after the fight to be tested for steroids and performance enhancing drugs. It’s not like Pacquiao is saying no to drugs.


December 24:

Arum: This kid has a phobia for getting his blood drawn.

December 25:

Manny Pacquiao plans to sue Floyd Mayweather, the American's father and Golden Boy Promotions in the next few days following a row over doping procedures, the Filipino world champion said in a statement on Friday.


December 26:

Manny Pacquiao: I have offered to give a blood sample the day of the Announcement of the fight at the Press Release. I have Offered to give a blood sample 30 days before the fight. I am willing to give blood immediately after the fight is over inside my dressing room . I am also willing to give urine tests at anytime any where everyday leading up to the fight. The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight.




So, I guess this was all Floyd Sr.'s fault right? I think not.

Note: Notice how Roach/ Arum are downgrading blood testing in general.

Has anyone called you ***** or gayweather yet?? How about Crackhead..Because i cannot go through reading your thread all the way up.

[PirateGorilla]

So why has Evander Holyfield been using it throughout his career? Obviously he thought he got some kind of gain from using it. I also know that many baseball players have used it. But its neither here nor there, random testing should be the norm in boxing.

The way I see it this whole fiasco has highlighted the fact that the drug testing of the NSAC is not adequate and the organisation needs a major ovwerhaul.

Do some research and read up on HGH as a performance enhancer for athletes. There are still on going studies but there is no conclusive scientific evidence to support HGH as a performance enhancer.

I agree with the random testings, but blood testing still has to be looked at.

[Adamantium]

Dr. Margaret Goodman, now the chief ringside physician for the Nevada State Athletic Commission, told the SI reporters that back in 1994, when Holyfield evinced evidence of a heart defect follwing his loss to Michael Moorer, commission doctors believed the malady to be consistent with HGH use, but since Holyfield denied having used the substance they could not pursue the theory.

[Adamantium]

Do some research and read up on HGH as a performance enhancer for athletes. There are still on going studies but there is no conclusive scientific evidence to support HGH as a performance enhancer.

I agree with the random testings, but blood testing still has to be looked at.

Vicor Conte say the same thing:
One, I think that increasing hematocrit levels, whether it’s by traditional blood-doping or the use of EPO, is of greater benefit to a boxer than the use of growth-hormone," he explained."So growth-hormone is more of an anti-catobolic agent that may help to accelerate the healing of the tissue repair process. But growth-hormone is not anabolic as an anabolic steroid. It’s an anti-catabolic agent and I believe that you don’t get a very big **** for your buck. I’m not a huge fan of growth-hormone. I don’t think it’s tremendously beneficial performance enhancing substance.


EPO is the drug of choice for boxers he says.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Has anyone called you ***** or gayweather yet?? How about Crackhead..Because i cannot go through reading your thread all the way up.

Nope, I've been Red K'd though