Roy Jones Jr. The ducks he made at supermiddleweight.

[BattlingNelson]

I think both were competent fighters especially Nunn before Toney. Frankly I never saw much of anything in Nunn after Toney KOed him in Iowa. I'm not sure how you argue that Roy ducked him.

Frankie was not a bad fighter but nothing great either. Nothing here tells me that Roy at the time was running scared.

Surely both of these guys is a huge upgrade compared to the opposition Roy fought. And that's the whole point. Roy could have done so much more than he actually did. So what if he beats them in a fantasy fight? Bottom line is that he didn't fight those guys.

[-Swizzy-]

No it isn't. Provide exact numbers if you can. Cheers.

I don't know the exact numbers but Calzaghe was quoted as saying he struggled to sellout the cardiff arena and I just checked the capacity of the arena is 2500 --->

[pistol whip]

You know whats Ironic about all these fighters Roy Jones "supposably" ducked. They were as good or worse than the fighters Roy Jones did fight.

Idiots!!!

[RagingTheBull]

Threads like this always miss the point that ducking is never one directional.

it's easy to open a thread screaming that Jones duck this one and that one but none is interested in the opposite side (Jones was feared, maybe someone ducked him).

This 3d is not even that interesting because I find hard to understand why Jones fought the number 1 SMW of that time and ATG James Toney and not Graciano Rocchigiani :-O.

I always find discussions on Jones' record very hard to understand. I always read something like "Jones beat Hopkins, but Hopkins was green" (lol) / Jones ducked this & that / Jones beat McCallum but McCallum was old / Jones beat Hill who is overrated and so on.

According to these arguments I could say that

1) Bernard Hopkins is a dirty fighter and always beat smaller guys
2) Hagler wins are a not middleweight glass chin Hearns and a lightweight Duran and got his ass whooped by a former welterweight Leonard
3) Carlos Monzon is a pure idiot

and so on.

That's why I don't like this kind of 3d. They are not realistic and I could dismantle every fighter in the world (even Ali screaming that he cheated against Cooper, lost 3x against Norton and blablabla). I dunno like this kind of things, mostly because I have no idea why Jones ducked Rocchigiani or Rocchigiani ducked Jones and I am deeply sure that the 98,45435% of people in this forum doesen't even know that Rocchigiani in german boxer and not a bra brand.

[TheGreatA]

It was not controversial really though was it? it was clear Paz had won imo. Duran just bitched like it was closer than it was.

I should have probably said "close". Either way, if you go to a close decision with a 44 year old Roberto Duran, you probably shouldn't be receiving a shot at the number 1 p4p boxer at the time.

[Jambo boy]

Lets not kick dirt in his face now that he is down. Why couldn't Calzaghe beat Jones like Green did?

WTF has that got to do with this thread????

[YoUnG PW]

You have to much time on your hands

[Dorian]

Rj doesn't have a great resume but skill wise, we won't see another Jones..

[Dynamite Kid]

Prime Jones would never lose to a prime Calzaghe, Calzaghe is a lefty but he is too aggressive to have success against Jones in his prime imo. Cautious counter punching left handers are what are always going to trouble Jones.

Jones is your typical unorthodox defensive counter puncher, does not like to lead, looks average when his opponent wont lead to him because he has to set up his own!! attacks.

Jones does/did not have the fundamentals to set up his own attacks. Jones is used to getting his offence going off his defence, which is essentially your offence, that is why he had so much trouble with Griffin and looked poor, Griffin is not a lefty but what he is, is a cagey counter puncher who made Roy Jones take the lead.


Jones has trouble with lefty's like most defensive fighters do, expect for Hopkins of coarse. Why? because you have to put pressure on left handers and thats not a defensive fighters bread and butter. You get into a Boxing match with a good lefty who is as good as you and he will generally do better than you because he is used to fighting that way, you are not, thats why some fighters resort to putting pressure on left handers from the get go, they know they cant win a Boxing match if the guy is on their level or near to it. Mayweather did it against Corley and Mitchell and he had success against Judah because he eventually applied the pressure.



The difference between a prime Jones and the one we see today is........... Prime Jones fought from the centre of the ring not off the ropes. His feet were quick enough so he did not get trapped on the ropes and his hands would take you to school in centre ring. Calzaghe gives up his Southpaw advantages by being so aggressive, that type of fighter is not going to beat Jones imo.

[TheGreatA]

Threads like this always miss the point that ducking is never one directional.

it's easy to open a thread screaming that Jones duck this one and that one but none is interested in the opposite side (Jones was feared, maybe someone ducked him).

This 3d is not even that interesting because I find hard to understand why Jones fought the number 1 SMW of that time and ATG James Toney and not Graciano Rocchigiani :-O.

I always find discussions on Jones' record very hard to understand. I always read something like "Jones beat Hopkins, but Hopkins was green" (lol) / Jones ducked this & that / Jones beat McCallum but McCallum was old / Jones beat Hill who is overrated and so on.

According to these arguments I could say that

1) Bernard Hopkins is a dirty fighter and always beat smaller guys
2) Hagler wins are a not middleweight glass chin Hearns and a lightweight Duran and got his ass whooped by a former welterweight Leonard
3) Carlos Monzon is a pure idiot

and so on.

That's why I don't like this kind of 3d. They are not realistic and I could dismantle every fighter in the world (even Ali screaming that he cheated against Cooper, lost 3x against Norton and blablabla). I dunno like this kind of things, mostly because I have no idea why Jones ducked Rocchigiani or Rocchigiani ducked Jones and I am deeply sure that the 98,45435% of people in this forum doesen't even know that Rocchigiani in german boxer and not a bra brand.

I do know that Roy Jones vacated his LHW title with Michael Nunn being his number 1 challenger and after vacating his title, briefly contemplated a move up to the heavyweight division and returned back to 175 lbs.

He was then given the title back by the WBC despite Rocchigiani having won the vacant title during the time Jones spent talking about how he was going to fight Tyson, Holyfield or Rahman, with none of those fights actually happening.

Rocchigiani sued WBC and got millions for it.