Roy Jones Jr. The ducks he made at supermiddleweight.

[Earl-Hickey]

Certainly Jones ducked a lot of guys, I mean during that run on HBO, it was more like Jones vs Joe's than any real fights.

Jones record is pretty shallow, an inexperianced hopkins, Toney (who was tailor made for jones) and other than that there are fighters i have heard of like Montel Griffen, but not much else really.

Jones should have tested himself a bit more than he did, but he isn't the only one guilty of that, and lets face it he was earning millions to fight bums, who wouldn't do that?

[Calilloyd]

Eubank was ranked no. 3 in 1992, 1993 and 1994. Jones didn't fight him then. Lucas wasn't ranked at any point during Roys tenure at 168. This info is plain to see in the threadstart.

You got to do better or put your tail between your legs.

The fact that you're going by ring ****zines ratings and not the organizations that matter(when it comes a mandatory) clearly shows that you are clearly grasping at straws. Bernard Hopking and James Toney are better than Eubank ever dreamed to be yet you claim Jones ducked Eubanks. Yeah...Ok. And Lucus WAS ranked so don't tell that lie.

[Earl-Hickey]

The guy just lost at about 5 AM in the morn. That's about 13 hours ago here in NYC. I have seen more hate threads on Jones than appreciation threads. It's messed up to kick a man while he's down, but it's even more messed up when he got ktfo in 1 round and we all know he's not getting back up and still kick him.

I kind of agree, but Jones fan's are the worst, slating Calzaghe 24/7, i'm sure they will be back to doing that soon, so Jones can take some grief for a day or 2

[Earl-Hickey]

The fact that you're going by ring ****zines ratings and not the organizations that matter(when it comes a mandatory) clearly shows that you are clearly grasping at straws. Bernard Hopking and James Toney are better than Eubank ever dreamed to be yet you claim Jones ducked Eubanks. Yeah...Ok. And Lucus WAS ranked so don't tell that lie.

How do we know that? they never fought.

Toney called Eubank out, but developed hearing problems when Eubank said make the fight.

This is what these guys rely on, ignorant fans simply saying "yeah well he was better"

How do we know that, we don't.

[RagingTheBull]

Roy Jones vacated his WBC LHW title after the second Montell Griffin bout where he had won it. It took him almost a year to contemplate the decision to move up to heavyweights, and he decided to come back down to fight Virgil Hill in a non-title bout at a catchweight of 177 pounds. WBC then decided to give Jones his title back and Rocchigiani was left without a title even though he had beaten Michael Nunn for the vacant title.

Sure Rocchigiani wasn't great but he deserved to keep his title belt which he had won legit. Instead it was stripped off of him in favour of Jones who had already vacated the title.

I don't understand what's the problem. Roy fought Hill, a tough fight at the time. I am pretty sure that he wasn't involved in the Rocchigiani problem.

This discussion is not realistic IMO. If I wish i fight that didn't happen I would say "Roy - Darius". And we are discussing about graciano. Come on

[Calilloyd]

[QUOTE=Earl-Hickey;6851343]Certainly Jones ducked a lot of guys, I mean during that run on HBO, it was more like Jones vs Joe's than any real fights.

Jones record is pretty shallow, an inexperianced hopkins, Toney (who was tailor made for jones) and other than that there are fighters i have heard of like Montel Griffen, but not much else really.

Hopkins was not inexperienced" and it was the first world title fight for both. And Toney's style is not "tailor made" for anybody. That's just plain ignorance. If you've never heard of Virgil Hill, Reggie Johnson, Lou Devalle or John Ruiz then you don't belong on this site.

[Calilloyd]

How do we know that? they never fought.

Toney called Eubank out, but developed hearing problems when Eubank said make the fight.

This is what these guys rely on, ignorant fans simply saying "yeah well he was better"

How do we know that, we don't.

If you think Eubank is on the level of Toney or that Toney was afarid of Eubank you are clearly a joke who can't be taken seriously.

[Chunk..]

It's nice to see everyone sticking the knife into Roy the day after he's KO'd into retirement and taking shots at his legacy.

I hate you all.

[Earl-Hickey]

If you think Eubank is on the level of Toney or that Toney was afarid of Eubank you are clearly a joke who can't be taken seriously.

How do we know that?

Because Americans say so?

[Calilloyd]

How do we know that?

Because Americans say so?

No, because history says so. Find one credible person who thinks Eubank was better than Toney or Hopkins and get back to me.