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Originally posted by factsarenice View PostFury's entire claim to fame is Wilder. Wilder fought Fury so he's got that going on!
Can it be because both were exposed when the fought on the elite level...just sayn?
Wilder is no fluke, it does take an effort to deconstruct the nonsense that posters like Daggum blovate... If one decides that "Ortiz was old and a fluke" and that AJ "fought better competition than the rest" one can call Wilder a fluke... But the problem is this reasoning is incorrect.
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Originally posted by MulaKO View Post
In all reality he did fight better opposition but in that respect , they both suck and have kept this heavyweight division on hiatus
With all that said? I agree 100 that we need this division to move forwards, we have some real talent coming up the pike! Moses Ituama, Torres, Bakole... These guys are imo "better" than the last epoche of super sized heavyweights... Usyk brought that epoche to a close!Last edited by billeau2; Yesterday, 02:28 PM.
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Originally posted by billeau2 View Post
If you really take the time to look at whom AJ lost to, fought and beat, compare his relative losses, etc... It is hard to determine "better." Was Ruiz better than Tito Ortiz? Remembering that Ortiz was undefeated when he fought Wilder... And when we consider the losses, it compounds the notion that AJ hit a ceiling, before being beat by the best... Reality is, the general level of opposition at this time in the division is lacking...
With all that said? I agree 100 that we need this division to move forwards, we have some real talent coming up the pike! Moses Ituama, Torres, Bakole... These guys are imo "better" than the last epoche of super sized heavyweights... Usyk brought that epoche to a close!
Reality is, the general level of opposition at this time in the division is lacking...
This ^^^^^^^^ is the right comment and unfortunately we’re stuck with two sub average fighters who their fans willingly or not , cheer for them and even place as goat
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Originally posted by MulaKO View Post
Reality is, the general level of opposition at this time in the division is lacking...
This ^^^^^^^^ is the right comment and unfortunately we’re stuck with two sub average fighters who their fans willingly or not , cheer for them and even place as goat
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The opinions of these men and the proclamation that "Tyson would be beat by a big heavyweight with reach" (Stated just prior to the Douglas fight), made for real knowledge and insight. The best heavyweights? Dempsey followed by Marciano... I know I know lol!
Most boxing fans today do not have any experience or insight. They cannot understand the "problem" when a heavyweight is gassed on the 6th round, cannot throw but a few punches, have no defensive skills, etc. Most fans today have been duped... Boxing has become, for all intensive purposes an amateur sport regarding skill level. And trainers warned of this problem even as early as the mid eighteen hundreds!
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Originally posted by billeau2 View Post
Partially perhaps an age thing... When Tyson was becoming truly lethal, touted as "unbeatable" history gave boxing a wonderful gift: It turns out that around this time you had boxing trainers, pundits, who had been alive to witness the exploits of Dempsey, (even Johnson), up through Louis, Marciano, Liston, Ali, and Tyson. These men had seen several ideations of "unbeatable" heavyweights... This ability to compare based on experience was invaluable and was a wonderful offset to those exclaiming that Mike Tyson was the most murderous heavyweight to grace the division.
The opinions of these men and the proclamation that "Tyson would be beat by a big heavyweight with reach" (Stated just prior to the Douglas fight), made for real knowledge and insight. The best heavyweights? Dempsey followed by Marciano... I know I know lol!
Most boxing fans today do not have any experience or insight. They cannot understand the "problem" when a heavyweight is gassed on the 6th round, cannot throw but a few punches, have no defensive skills, etc. Most fans today have been duped... Boxing has become, for all intensive purposes an amateur sport regarding skill level. And trainers warned of this problem even as early as the mid eighteen hundreds!
Boxing has become like all other sports with fans hoping on a bandwagon and hugging along
Another problem is these morts as I call them believe everything they read on the internet even when it’s plain and simple lie if you use common sense
Boots fans crying their guy didn’t duck and pointing out that Ortiz ducked Stanionis even though the mofo was fighting for his life
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Originally posted by billeau2 View Post
If you really take the time to look at whom AJ lost to, fought and beat, compare his relative losses, etc... It is hard to determine "better." Was Ruiz better than Tito Ortiz? Remembering that Ortiz was undefeated when he fought Wilder... And when we consider the losses, it compounds the notion that AJ hit a ceiling, before being beat by the best... Reality is, the general level of opposition at this time in the division is lacking...
With all that said? I agree 100 that we need this division to move forwards, we have some real talent coming up the pike! Moses Ituama, Torres, Bakole... These guys are imo "better" than the last epoche of super sized heavyweights... Usyk brought that epoche to a close!
the division wasnt lacking and even if it was wilder was lacking in courage to face the top guys which makes him look ever worse! it was a weak division according to you and yet wilder didn't want to fight anyone in a weak division...uh hello. that should tell you he was a fraud right? remember he didnt want wlad, then he didnt want joshua, and on top of that he barely fought anyone else while fighting guys like spilzka, washington, molina, etc...thats tune up level opposition.Last edited by daggum; Yesterday, 03:00 PM.BoxOfficer likes this.
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Originally posted by daggum View Post
joshua beat 8 top 10 guys. wilder beat 2. guys like wlad, parker, whyte, and ruiz are better than any wilder win. yes ruiz is better than ortiz. he beat joshua, ortiz, and the parker fight was dead even. ortizs only notable win is jennings. not close? we are really taking the time to look at things and its not looking good here for wilder.
the division wasnt lacking and even if it was wilder was lacking in courage to face the top guys which makes him look ever worse! it was a weak division according to you and yet wilder didn't want to fight anyone in a weak division...uh hello.
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