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I like Usyk, but people are acting like he schooled a Prime Lewis and Klitschko...

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    #21
    Originally posted by Haka View Post
    So what era is so great ? The era where Henry Cooper downed Ali ? Tyson opposition before Douglas was even less impressive. You can deconstruct anything like this.
    At least Ali won, yes ?

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      #22
      Originally posted by pollywog View Post
      Usyk can only beat the best of whomever he's facing in this era and he's done that.

      It's pointless to speculate on how he would have gone against Lewis and Klitschko.

      He is however grand unified, undisputed and undefeated. That doesn't make him the GOAT but it does make him the GOTE...Greatest Of This Era!

      ...until Parker beats Dubois and faces off against him and he falls to The Mighty Oilskin!
      As unbiased fight fans, I hope we can differentiate between credible fighters and BUMS.

      Which era had the most BUMS ?!?!?

      Let's not make this harder than it is

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        #23
        Usyk never fought Mahmoud Charr, so there's always an asterisk next to his name in my book.

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          #24
          Originally posted by BodyBagz View Post

          At least Ali won, yes ?
          Torn glove doe.
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            #25
            Originally posted by NihonJim View Post

            His endurance is good in this era, but who's he up against?

            AJ is notorious for having bad stamina, Fury is a 270lb blubbersauraus who pretty much kept pace with Usyk although he got a bit tired at the end.

            Outside that who have we had, Zhang? Cheeseburger Ruiz?

            Usyks greatest attribute might be his discipline and fitness which yes, does put him above the other heavyweights of this era because their discipline and fitness suck.

            I checked Usyk vs Joshua 1 because I believe that was the fight where Usyk showed the most activity and fitness, he threw 529 punches in that fight

            I just picked a random Lennox Lewis fight that went 12 rounds, Holyfield 1. Lewis threw 613 punches in that fight.

            Holyfield vs Foreman 584 punches

            Klitschko threw 509 punches vs david haye

            ​​​Usyks work rate historically isn't anything special, it just seems that way against slow, low output plodders who average 25 punches a round who we have now.
            It's funny how fitness is judged by how many punches you throw? I could probably throw 1000 punches on heavy bag.
            Uysk mileage with footwork might need to be assessed. His feints, slips, ducks and rolls take energy too. Everything usyk does to control opponent is using up energy, I can't believe its determined by how punches are thrown
            Last edited by hugh grant; 01-13-2025, 06:19 AM.
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              #26
              Originally posted by RigosPressureCooker View Post

              Torn glove doe.
              Every era has a Cooper floors Ali moment
              Cooper would be a top 5 guy today

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                #27
                Originally posted by BodyBagz View Post

                Every era has a Cooper floors Ali moment
                Cooper would be a top 5 guy today
                Yes, at LHW.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by kafkod View Post

                  Yes, at LHW.
                  It's that bad down there, too ?

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by BodyBagz View Post

                    It's that bad down there, too ?
                    Cooper weighed in at 185 to fight Ali, or Clay, as he was then called. And that was without any need to cut weight.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Haka View Post
                      So what era is so great ? The era where Henry Cooper downed Ali ? Tyson opposition before Douglas was even less impressive. You can deconstruct anything like this.
                      An earlier era, of course. In boxing, earlier eras have always been much better than present eras. The sport has been going steadily downhill for the last 100 years. I'm surprised that modern day boxers have the strength to even climb into a ring and touch gloves, let alone throw punches at each other, considering how long this decline has been going on for.

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