Comments Thread For: Adam Booth sees 'freakish' similarities between David Adeleye and David Haye

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Adam Booth sees shades of David Haye in his new fighter David Adeleye. The 28-year-old Adeleye, who on Saturday fights for the first time since losing his only fight when being stopped by Fabio Wardley in October 2023, also enters his first contest under Booth when he challenges the English heavyweight champion Solomon Dacres.
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[1Eriugenus]

They are both heavyweight boxers, named David, from London. TBBH I can't see many other similarities. For all Haye's faults, he brought speed & power. I don't know what Adeleye brings. An Uber licence?

[paulf]

Remember when people thought Adam Booth was a good trainer?

[1Eriugenus]

When he had Haye & then Groves, he was meant to be British Boxing's 'Dark Lord'. All that has fallen apart a bit hasn't it?

[vitali1999]

Haha. Nobody wants to talk about the obvious, Ustiff got a gift decision, kod in rematch

[PRINCEKOOL]

Adam Booth likes to work fighters, with specific attributes 'And he has historically worked best with those type of fighters. David Haye, George Groves, Josh Kelly, they are all similar fighters in terms of their best attributes and fighting style. But of course? Fighters can share similar attribute's, but still be levels apart in terms of ability'.

David Haye is by far the most talented fighter, Adam Booth has ever worked with. And Haye is one of the most talented fighters, British Boxing has ever produced 'Haye in my opinion is ranked very high alongside fighters such as Prince Naseem Hamed, when? We are specifically rating overall boxing ability at their absolute peak. David Haye is pound for pound a more talented fighter than Tyson Fury'.

For me personally, at his peak as a Heavyweight fighter or Cruiserweight fighter 'I would rate David Haye as a better fighter than Oleksandr Uysk. Haye beat all the major fighters in the Cruiserweight Division, and he won his fights by knock-out. David Haye was the Lineal and Unified Cruiserweight World Champion, and he achieved all of those feats in a more difficult manner than Oleksandr Uysk. Haye had to invade countries, and beat those Champions the old fashion way. No Super Sixx tournament was created for him'.

7th November 2009 'David Haye fought Nikola Valuev, in a fight where he was being outweighed by 7 stone. Haye weighed in at 218 pounds, vs Valuev 315 pounds. The total the weight differential in pounds between the two fighters was 98 pounds. The fight was billed as David vs Goliath.

When I first saw David Adeleye fight, I did make the comparisons between David Haye and Herbie Hide 'And I would say? That Adeleye seems closer to Herbie Hide than David Haye.

David Haye was an extremely athletic fighter, with elite level power 'But his pure boxing skills, were also very underrated. I don't think Adeleye has shown the boxing ability of David Haye, but he has displayed a impressive level of speed and athleticism'.

Note: For a fighter to work efficiently with Adam Booth 'It is not just about having the fundamental attribute's. The Athletic skills which are components of fitness, such as Co-ordination, Dexterity, Spatial Awareness, Agility. And athletic attributes are components of fitness, such as Power, Maximum Strength, Power to Weight Ratio, Speed, Speed Endurance, Lactate Threshold, Aerobic Capacity: VO2 Max.

A fighter also needs the ability to be able to absorb, integrate and assimilate information into their boxing psyche 'Because Adam Booth is a extremely analytical boxing coach, who's perception of competitive violence is perceived in a very highly detailed and in-depth level. It is this attribute which in my opinion, greatly effects how certain fighters excel or improve their game under the tutorship of Adam Booth'.

At David Haye's absolute peak, his nearest competition were not just competing against David Haye 'They were also competing against the Psyche of Adam Booth, which was integrate into David Haye's boxing game'.

To conclude: Since David Haye's retirement, Booth really has not been able to sync with the fighters he has worked with 'To the same level, which he did with David Haye. But of course, he has still progress very well with many fighters. The reason why they have not achieved any near the feats of Haye, is simply because David Haye in terms of overall ability at his peak was operating in a completely different stratosphere'.

David Adeleye stylistically really should be able to beat Solomon Dacres inside the distance 'I don't regard the fight as a stylistically very difficult for Adeleye if? He is the level of fighter, which he himself and Adam Booth are claiming him to be. Adeleye should be able to make his best attributes show vs Solomon Dacres, and win in impressive fashion' etc.

[1Eriugenus]

Amid all that word soup & the random use of quotation marks we have 'David Haye is pound for pound a more talented fighter than Tyson Fury'. Which is Bollox innit, because one of them beat Klitschko & one was humiliated by him.

[deathofaclown]

When he had Haye & then Groves, he was meant to be British Boxing's 'Dark Lord'. All that has fallen apart a bit hasn't it?

He trained other champs since. He took Burnett to becoming unified champ before he retired due to back injury. He also rejuvenated andy Lee and took him a world title.

Even then, we're still going back 7-10 years. Im not sure he's had any major success since.

[tokon]

Remember when people thought Adam Booth was a good trainer?

A long time ago, - primarily off the back of working with the athletically gifted Haye - and he's since proven that was a bit overrated imo.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Amid all that word soup & the random use of quotation marks we have 'David Haye is pound for pound a more talented fighter than Tyson Fury'. Which is Bollox innit, because one of them beat Klitschko & one was humiliated by him.

Tyson Fury is a Super Heavyweight fighter, who has mightily struggled or lost fights 'That should have been stylistically straight forward match ups for him. Since Tyson Fury's victory over Wladimir Kiltschko, ultimately? That has been the story of his career. He was nearly blasted into another Dimension by Deontay Wilder, and then Oleksandr Uysk in their fight pushed him around the ring for 12 rounds, and smashed him up during round 9 of the Undisputed World Heavyweight title fight'.

A true all-time great Super Heavyweight fighter, in my opinion does not fight or behave that way vs Uysk 'Oleksandr Uysk is the most accomplished active fighter in the entire sport of boxing, and pound for pound 'His wins over both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua, are the greatest feats of achievement in the sport of boxing in the last 15 years'. But stylistically the metrics of the match up, should really make the fight more straight forward and easier for Fury than it has been so far in the battle'.

Deontay Wilder and Oleksandr Uysk 'Are the only top, world to elite level fights Fury has fought in since Wladimir Kiltschko. Fights which stylistically when we investigate the metrics of all the fighters. Both Wilder and Uysk should of been more straight forward fights for Tyson Fury if? He was a true genuine all-time great Super Heavyweight fighter. But as recent boxing history has shown us? That was not the eventually when Tyson Fury went into battle with both Deontay Wilder and Oleksandr Uysk'.

Deontay Wilder is a Heavyweight fighter, who heavily relied on his power 'Punching power which only really had a limited range of variation. Deontay Wilder was a elite level fighter in terms of his stature in the sport, but? In terms of his pure skill for skill boxing ability, no honest boxing analyst or coach rates Wilder as a Elite level fighter. During the Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury trilogy, Wilder was being outweighed by 40 + pounds on average at the very least. All of those factors, made this fight at the time? The most stylistically easiest fight for Tyson Fury, in contrast with the potential fight against Anthony Joshua'.

Tyson Fury was nearly blasted into another dimension in the first fight against Deontay Wilder. And Contrary to certain boxing narratives, Fury never won the first fight. The decision to score the fight a draw, was not a controversial decision in my opinion. If anyone fighter could of been crowned the victor in the first fight? It was Deontay Wilder'.

Lets all get it right? The trilogy against Deontay Wilder was not a easy battle for Tyson Fury, Fury did not win the first fight 'You don't win a World title fight by being backed up all night, decked twice once badly'.

Tyson Fury had one dominant win vs Deontay Wilder II, which was their second fight 'But the fight was stopped controversially. At the time of the stoppage, Wilder was still standing and fighting back. No matter how futile his attempts were in that fight, Deontay Wilder was still trying to find a way to win. It is a very common observation in boxing, you don't pull a power puncher out of a fight if? When they are still trying to fight and find a way to win. I understand the compassionate act of pulling Wilder out of the fight, but nobody knows for sure on that night what would of happened if Wilder would of been allowed to continue on against Tyson Fury. I have always been adamant that Wilder should of been allowed to continue fighting, and defend his WBC World title until there was no more. Like the Gladiator and Warrior that he was'.

Yes of course, Tyson Fury did beat Wladimir Kiltschko 'In terms of historically significance it was a great win. The actual action of the fight was very underwhelming, and once again? Fury was getting backed up all night, but he did riddle his way to a deserved win'.

In the aftermath of the fight Tyson Fury pulled out of the scheduled rematch with Wladimir Kiltschko twice 'Unfortunately due his then circumstance'.

It was the left to Anthony Joshua in his 19th professional boxing contest to step up? And battle the version of Wladimir Kiltschko who Tyson Fury should of fought in their scheduled rematch'.

On April 29th 2017, Wladimir Kiltschko vs Anthony Joshua was the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years. Not only did Anthony Joshua beat Wladimir Kiltschko, he also stayed around at the summit and defended his titles conclusively taking the Heavyweight Division into a complete new dynasty.

There you go, I have just very concisely described and took you through Tyson Fury's career since his victory over Wladimir Kiltschko 'And I don't see any feats of achievement, which prove to me? That he can be considered a great pound for pound fighter. Without a shadow of a doubt, Tyson Fury has been a great heavyweight fighter and one of the three Heavyweight Mountains of this era. But his boxing ability and feats achieved, do not elevate him to being one of the pound for pound best fighters in the World'.

Note: In comparison David Haye was the Lineal Ring ****zine, WBC, WBA and WBO World Cruiserweight Champion. Haye really should of been the Undisputed Cruiserweight World Champion, it was only really a technicality which prevented this from happening. As Jean Marc Mormeck had already beaten the IBF World Champion O'Neil Bell, avenging a loss to him in his prior fight before encountering David Haye. Haye beat all the major World Champions in the Cruiserweight Division, including Enzo Maccarinelli who? He knocked out inside 2 rounds, to win the WBO World Cruiserweight titles.

David Haye could of potentially stayed competing in the Cruiserweight Division, and dominated for years to come 'But he instead consciously chose to challenge himself, and invade the Heavyweight Division. As a classical physique style Heavyweight fighter, competing predominately at top level against Super Heavyweight fighters'.

7th November 2009 'David Haye fought Nikola Valuev, in a fight where he was being outweighed by 7 stone. Haye weighed in at 218 pounds, vs Valuev 315 pounds. The total the weight differential in pounds between the two fighters was 98 pounds. The fight was billed as David vs Goliath. David Haye beat Nikola Valuev, and became only the second sentient being in the history of mankind to move up from the Cruiserweight Division to win a World Heavyweight title.

David Haye weighing in at 210 pounds vs Derek Chisora 247 pounds. Haye became the first fighter to meet force with force and cancel out Chisora's momentum, being the first fighter to not only deck but knock out Chisora at his near peak as a fighter. Derek Chisora after this fight, would not be decked or knocked out for another 7 years almost. Chisora fought 18 more times, before eventually being legitimately knocked out again by Dillian Whyte in their rematch.

To conclude: David Haye fought Wladimir Kiltschko at his absolute peak, and he lost the fight 'But Haye was not decked, or beaten up. Once again in a fight where he was challenging himself to the maximum and beyond. Wladimir Kilstchko outweighed David Haye by 30 pounds, and he was also an all time great Super Heavyweight fighter. Stylistically it was always going to a extremely difficult fight for David Haye, in retrospect Haye most likely achieved a underrated feat in? Not being systematically beaten up, or knocked out by Wladimir Kiltschko at that stage of his Heavyweight dominance'.

All of the information and comparisons which I have documented in this post 'Is why I personally rate David Haye, pound for pound as a greater talent and fighter than Tyson Fury. David Haye's career best performances, and feats achieved during his career. Are more accurately and closely correlated with having a pound for pound World to Elite level boxing ability' etc.