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    #31
    Roadblock you don't necessarily have to see it, the fact is that any fighter on a given day can knockout another fighter.
    That's already been proven as a matter of fact throughout the course of boxing's long history.
    You add young, undefeated, power punchers to that truism, and the chances of their winning, or pulling off an upset exists to an even greater extent.
    That said here are a few more point's as to why Matias' are to some degree who they were at the time that they fought ( not everyone elite or not is willing to fight him).

    1. Subriel Matias is ranked # 1, by Boxrec : he has already called out all of the 140 pound champions for the unification of the belts, and undisputed championship.

    2. Devin Haney is ranked # 2, by Boxrec : he states that he needs a warm up or two before taking on Matias.

    3. Teofimo Lopez is ranked # 3, by Boxrec : he states he wants to fight the best, and then chooses to fight Steve Claggett.ranked # 7, by Boxrec (a cherry pick)? or !

    4. Issac Cruz is rated # 4, by Boxrec : he states that he will fight him, but his father states he wants 7 million for the fight?

    I would love to see Cruz, and Matias, make that kind of money, but I just don't see it happening. Simply because they aren't big enough stars yet.
    Issac Cruz is the one champion who I believe would be willing to fight Subriel Matias next, it would be the most action packed, it's a unification.
    It would be a sold out event, because it would pit one of the biggest rivalries in boxing against each other.


    Subriel Matias can only fight the fighters who are willing to step into the ring against him, and he still has a very capable challenger to beat in his next fight.
    So we still have to wait, and see what happens on Saturday, but I've got Matias winning by stoppage after a hard fought battle.
    Last edited by Boricua181; 06-13-2024, 04:10 AM.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Boricua181 View Post
      Roadblock you don't necessarily have to see it, the fact is that any fighter on a given day can knockout another fighter.
      That's already been proven as a matter of fact throughout the course of boxing's long history.
      You add young, undefeated, power punchers to that truism, and the chances of their winning, or pulling off an upset exists to an even greater extent.
      That said here are a few more point's as to why Matias' are to some degree who they were at the time that they fought ( not everyone elite or not is willing to fight him).

      1. Subriel Matias is ranked # 1, by Boxrec : he has already called out all of the 140 pound champions for the unification of the belts, and undisputed championship.

      2. Devin Haney is ranked # 2, by Boxrec : he states that he needs a warm up or two before taking on Matias.

      3. Teofimo Lopez is ranked # 3, by Boxrec : he states he wants to fight the best, and then chooses to fight Steve Claggett.ranked # 7, by Boxrec ( a cherry pick)? or !

      4. Issac Cruz is rated # 4, by Boxrec : he states that he will fight him, but his father states he wants 7 million for the fight, so do they really want the fight or not?
      I would love to see them both make that kind of money, but I just don't see it happening. Simply because they aren't big enough stars yet.
      That said Issac Cruz is the one champion who I believe would be willing to fight Subriel Matias next, it would be the most action packed, it's a unification.
      It would be a sold out event, because it would pit one of the biggest rivalries in boxing against each other.

      Subriel Matias can only fight the fighters who are willing to step into the ring against him, and he still has a very capable challenger to beat in his next fight.
      So we still have to wait, and see what happens on Saturday, but I've got Matias winning by stoppage after a very hard fought battle between two of the best at 140.
      Im not looking at rankings at all Im just looking at the fights its all eye test for me not belts rankings etc , nor am I knocking his resume it is what it is he is rising, same as the other guys like Tank hasn't fought the big names but I think he can really fight, Mathias Im not so sure he can walk up and take shots with elite guys like he does, or is he quick enough to
      catch a Shakur, time will tell he might very well be.

      pick it up at 2.07, this is a little how I see Subriel.



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        #33
        Originally posted by Roadblock View Post

        Im not looking at rankings at all Im just looking at the fights its all eye test for me not belts rankings etc , nor am I knocking his resume it is what it is he is rising, same as the other guys like Tank hasn't fought the big names but I think he can really fight, Mathias Im not so sure he can walk up and take shots with elite guys like he does, or is he quick enough to
        catch a Shakur, time will tell he might very well be.

        pick it up at 2.07, this is a little how I see Subriel.


        You mentioned the elite, and I spoke on the elite the three other champions in the 140 pound division.
        Who happen to be ranked 2, 3, and 4, all behind Matias, on this boxing platform, that we've chosen to follow, post, and comment on.
        As far as taking shots Haney can't hurt him, Teofimo, and Cruz would have to land a barrage to hurt Matias
        They would lead to openings in their defense, they would more than likely get sabotaged within their barrage by Matias' counters.

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          #34
          Matias is a savage and a beast having stopped two highly rated, undefeated Kazakh & Uzbekh fighter's in quick succession. Therefore, only a fool would write him off and I give him a good shot at beating the very best in the division.

          However, once thing that concerned me about his fighting style is the amount of clean, hard punches he absorbs in the early rounds before slowly breaking down his opponents. I believe this could be his ONE undoing against an elite puncher like Tank/Teofimo but so far his chin and toughness are as impressive as his KO power.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Roadblock View Post

            I don't see it but Im comparing the best guys, so far Matias hasn't been in with an elite guy, undefeated doesn't reflect your class the guys he has beaton are all around Paros level, good solid fighters but all the top guys would go through Subriels resume just as easy maybe not stopping them all but that's just a style thing, not a measure.

            I like him and his hand speed is excellent for the power he has, but he hasn't fought anyone of note, yet.
            "He hasn't fought anyone of note"


            Dadashev was ranked #2 in the IBF when Matias was #11. Dadashev, Hawkins, Jumkembayev all were picked to defeat Matias. Jumkembayev has won 5 fights in a row since the Matias loss, even Ponce/Ergashev won their comeback fights. Ponce was ranked #2 in the IBF and Ergashev was #3.

            let's stop pretending Matias is defeating C level fighters. Jumkembayev, Ergahsev, Ponce are all much more dangerous and skilled than Kambosos. Teo went to hell with Kambosos, got sent to the hospital and ducked the rematch. Teo also lost the last 6 rounds of the Loma fight and beating Josh Taylor doesn’t make you #1. Alot of casuals still living in 2019. Taylor was 33, already defeated by Jack Caterall and it's been reported Josh Taylor team admitted to Matias coach Jay Najar that they want nothing to do with Matias. Go to Golden Era Boxing, 49:20 on the interview with coach Panda Najar.

            instead of asking who has Matias fought, let's ask who has ducked Matias.

            1. Josh Taylor



            Josh Taylor avoided fighting guys like Dadashev and Ponce, thus vacating his IBF title by not going after his mandatories. So Matias fought the guys Taylor was suppose to fight.

            2. Regis Prograis
            - said Matias needs a belt
            - Matias gets a belt, Regis says he doesn't want to fight under the IBF 10lb limit rehydration rule.
            - says he needs two tune fights in 2024 and he'll maybe fight Matias in 2025. Regis will be 37 by then.


            the two guys who were considered the "top" guys at 140 both openly ducked Matias for 5 years.


            fellow ducks:
            Teofimo Lopez(rather fight a guy with 7 Ls than Matias)
            GAR (Matias on PBC for 5 years, GAR said he needs a tune up before Matias and he fights once a year)
            Michel Rivera declined a shot at the title.
            Jose Ramirez
            Arnaldo Barboza
            Isaac Cruz dad says he wants 7 million or he'll go back to 135 looking for the Davis rematch.


            Devin Haney

            On the FightHubTV interview, Bill made up a story about Peter Khan/4 million which was proven false by Matias and his team. Ever since then, Bill has acted agitated and defensive. When exposed for making up a story, Matias sent his manager number to Bill. Bill calls Matias manager yelling. Bill does this 3 times (confirmed by Matias, Jay Najar and Matias manager himself). Why yell on the phone to avoid negiotation? Matias team invited Bill to a meeting and he declined. Timestamps here:

            1.

            go to 23:39 Panda Najar confirms Bill Haney was yelling. Bill was only "respectful" after the yelling, which he continued to do until Najar went on 3 way. This followed with Bill Haney asking for a price, and Juan invited Bill to a meeting in Arizona, in which Bill has declined. This was confirmed in an interview by Matias.

            2. Matias did an interview with details on Bill Haney declining a meeting to negiotate a fight. You can use auto captions to translate to English:



            Matias confirms Bill Haney declined the meeting on this time stamp go to 1:00:02 in that video

            3. In this video on 1/28/2024 Bill Haney was asked about meeting Sandor Martin before Subriel Matias:
            2:15:00

            Bill Haney confirmed they already met with Sandor Martin, on the record. Bill Haney declined Matias meeting to meet with Sandor Martin instead then went on to fight Gervonta leftovers, mentally unstable Ryan Garcia.


            4. Matias did this interview on 1/31/2024

            * Bill was yelling to avoid negiotation until he calmed down, just to never show up to a meeting he was invited to.
            * Bill Haney declined a meeting to meet with Sandor Martin instead.

            Matias does his interviews in Spanish on Spanish speaking channels so those algorithms may not reach the English speaking audience. Matias confirmed in interviews Haney declined the meeting and ended negiotations.




            so yeah, all this noise about who has Matias fought ? Why don't you keep the same energy and asked why the former champions avoided making a fight happen for 5 years?

            not Matias fault if the "best" see him as too much of risk.

            I believe Matias would make guys like Lopez and Cruz look C level. Lopez is overrated and Cruz is a good challenge but ultimately Matias is superior on the inside plus Matias jab will meet Cruz before Cruz throws his looping shots. Matias sparring partner is William Zepeda whos the #3 135lb. Matias biggest challenge is Garcia, GAR and Russell. You need legit power to stop Matias. You simply can't out box him.
            Last edited by agueybana; 06-13-2024, 07:52 AM.
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              #36
              Originally posted by Roadblock View Post

              Thats a war, Matias looks great beating the 2nd and 3rd tier guys, Paro will give it a good go so we can get another look at Subriel, from what I can see the one to beat him will be Shakur.
              I hope you don't call Paro 2nd/3rd tier if Matias demolished him. Regarding Shakur, he himself said regarding Matias: "You can't box and move, you have to fight, you have to beat him at his own game" Dou you think Shakur can beat Matias exchanging in the middle of the ring? It's going to be another marathon.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Greenfield02 View Post
                Pitbull waiting in the wings for this guy, my understanding is that Pitbull is very interested.
                Do your research again




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                #38
                Originally posted by agueybana View Post

                "He hasn't fought anyone of note"


                Dadashev was ranked #2 in the IBF when Matias was #11. Dadashev, Hawkins, Jumkembayev all were picked to defeat Matias. Jumkembayev has won 5 fights in a row since the Matias loss, even Ponce/Ergashev won their comeback fights. Ponce was ranked #2 in the IBF and Ergashev was #3.

                let's stop pretending Matias is defeating C level fighters. Jumkembayev, Ergahsev, Ponce are all much more dangerous and skilled than Kambosos. Teo went to hell with Kambosos, got sent to the hospital and ducked the rematch. Teo also lost the last 6 rounds of the Loma fight and beating Josh Taylor doesn’t make you #1. Alot of casuals still living in 2019. Taylor was 33, already defeated by Jack Caterall and it's been reported Josh Taylor team admitted to Matias coach Jay Najar that they want nothing to do with Matias. Go to Golden Era Boxing, 49:20 on the interview with coach Panda Najar.

                instead of asking who has Matias fought, let's ask who has ducked Matias.

                1. Josh Taylor



                Josh Taylor avoided fighting guys like Dadashev and Ponce, thus vacating his IBF title by not going after his mandatories. So Matias fought the guys Taylor was suppose to fight.

                2. Regis Prograis
                - said Matias needs a belt
                - Matias gets a belt, Regis says he doesn't want to fight under the IBF 10lb limit rehydration rule.
                - says he needs two tune fights in 2024 and he'll maybe fight Matias in 2025. Regis will be 37 by then.


                the two guys who were considered the "top" guys at 140 both openly ducked Matias for 5 years.


                fellow ducks:
                Teofimo Lopez(rather fight a guy with 7 Ls than Matias)
                GAR (Matias on PBC for 5 years, GAR said he needs a tune up before Matias and he fights once a year)
                Michel Rivera declined a shot at the title.
                Jose Ramirez
                Arnaldo Barboza
                Isaac Cruz dad says he wants 7 million or he'll go back to 135 looking for the Davis rematch.


                Devin Haney

                On the FightHubTV interview, Bill made up a story about Peter Khan/4 million which was proven false by Matias and his team. Ever since then, Bill has acted agitated and defensive. When exposed for making up a story, Matias sent his manager number to Bill. Bill calls Matias manager yelling. Bill does this 3 times (confirmed by Matias, Jay Najar and Matias manager himself). Why yell on the phone to avoid negiotation? Matias team invited Bill to a meeting and he declined. Timestamps here:

                1.

                go to 23:39 Panda Najar confirms Bill Haney was yelling. Bill was only "respectful" after the yelling, which he continued to do until Najar went on 3 way. This followed with Bill Haney asking for a price, and Juan invited Bill to a meeting in Arizona, in which Bill has declined. This was confirmed in an interview by Matias.

                2. Matias did an interview with details on Bill Haney declining a meeting to negiotate a fight. You can use auto captions to translate to English:



                Matias confirms Bill Haney declined the meeting on this time stamp go to 1:00:02 in that video

                3. In this video on 1/28/2024 Bill Haney was asked about meeting Sandor Martin before Subriel Matias:
                2:15:00

                Bill Haney confirmed they already met with Sandor Martin, on the record. Bill Haney declined Matias meeting to meet with Sandor Martin instead then went on to fight Gervonta leftovers, mentally unstable Ryan Garcia.


                4. Matias did this interview on 1/31/2024

                * Bill was yelling to avoid negiotation until he calmed down, just to never show up to a meeting he was invited to.
                * Bill Haney declined a meeting to meet with Sandor Martin instead.

                Matias does his interviews in Spanish on Spanish speaking channels so those algorithms may not reach the English speaking audience. Matias confirmed in interviews Haney declined the meeting and ended negiotations.




                so yeah, all this noise about who has Matias fought ? Why don't you keep the same energy and asked why the former champions avoided making a fight happen for 5 years?

                not Matias fault if the "best" see him as too much of risk. You want to be convicted but you also want to highlight one half of the picture. I believe Matias would make guys like Lopez and Cruz look C level. Matias biggest challenge is Garcia, GAR and Russell. You need legit power to stop Matias. You simply can't out box him.
                That's a pretty good summary/assessment. I agree that it will be very hard to outbox Matias for 12 rnds. You know who else agrees with us? Shakur, see link bellow!

                Last edited by Basco; 06-13-2024, 07:43 AM.

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                  #39
                  Originally posted by Roadblock View Post

                  Thats a war, Matias looks great beating the 2nd and 3rd tier guys, Paro will give it a good go so we can get another look at Subriel, from what I can see the one to beat him will be Shakur.
                  All respect to Paro for taking this fight. He shows more balls than Lopez Haney Prograis Taylor Hitchins and Cruz.

                  however Paro has flaws. Poor defense. Weak jab. Yomer Alama knocked down Paro in round 1 and that isn't the first time Paro has been dropped in round 1. Paro drops his lead hand and is open to a counter because he has a lazy jab.



                  ^ Paro dropped by Alamo. Alamo not even a top 75 fighter at 140.


                  Matias last two opponents landed 18-21% and Matias opponent % career wise is 24% which is amongst the lowest at 140. Lopez been dropped twice by pillow fist Martin, Haney hurt by Diaz, Loma, Linares and sent to hell by Garcia. But somehow Matias gets this flack he has 0 defense. He's been rocked before but that's the risk of having a pressure style. Matias doesn't get hit as much as people want to believe.

                  Matias dominates Paro this Saturday.

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                    #40
                    Originally posted by Basco View Post

                    That's a pretty good summary/assessment. I agree that it will be very hard to outbox Matias for 12 rnds. You know who else agrees with us? Shakur, see link bellow!

                    I agree. Shakur is an advanced tactical fighter. I think ultimately you gotta beat Matias with more precision and pop. If he doesn't respect your power he's going to initiate a very abusive tactic where he uses faints and tricks to counter and time guys when they're using energy to get away from him. Matias cuts off the ring and uses his body as a tool to create and negate space.

                    this uploader has a very precise and excellent breakdown:



                    breakdown starts at 40:00

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