Garcia cleared!

[IronDanHamza]

Idk that I've heard of a high level athlete who's 1)not taking supplements or 2)isnt on some damn near scientific diet with some likely highly paid nutritionist.

I don't doubt there are guys who don't take any supplements, especially non-high level guys, but anyone trying to be as optimal as possible would likely be.



You can & should get your supplements tested these days at a certain level of the sport. Many do that in other sports as I understand it. Many investigate the companies or similar supplements that tend to have banned substances slipped in. Wilder has talked in the past of having the WADA drug testing help line or some such ppl on speed dial for fear of taking a tainted supplement. Ryan is just kind of a fooking moron is part of the problem. Especially judging from his attempt to clear himself with opened products tested by his own ppl.



Disagree.

1)its kinda bs there is THAT much contamination going on. Its not THAT common. I imagine 99% of the time a supplement IS tainted its not tainted enough for a positive test cuz there are still levels one must surpass that a contamination might not meet. Contamination is claimed far more often than its proven cuz its easy to claim & is a great go to excuse for intentional use to appear more innocent than one knows themselves to be I'd imagine.

2)the risk/reward ratio for a legit tainted supplement isn't staggering at all. Guys fight about every 8mos these days. Most PED usage suspensions gotta be a year or less & thats intentional or unintentional. The punishment for a legit provable tainted supplement has barely any punishment vs the usual inactivity of todays boxers. And the risk to rep is overinflated as well. Sure there are those who'll consider someone a "cheater" for the rest of their days, but usually most dgaf past your suspension or forget about it within a couple yrs as long as its not some notable situation like Big Baby testing for multiple things multiple times.

It’s extremely common, actually. That’s not even a debate at this point. You are taking a total uncessary risk by taking things that are barely even beneficial.

I don’t know if you have an any actual experience in working with or training professional athletes or have competed in a professional sport but you’re just incorrect on all levels if you think over the counter supplements are necessary for optimal performance. That are not.

In a sport that’s untested or has weak testing like UK football or my sport which is body building then sure use them they have their place (again mostly convenience, for just one example just getting adequate sleep is VASTLY more important than any over the counter supplements) but why anyone would in a strict testing sport is asinine and non sensical.

[Smash]

The thing is this

Take canelo for example, he is munching away on stakes apparently in mexico when its well know that there may be contamination for a certain substance but he still munches away happily and then tests positive for it, is it the steaks or is it just clever cheating? we surely will never know

now take ryan

he gets busted for a substance and immediately lists 2 supplements he is taking, now he and all pro athletes know for a fact that supplements can be contaminated and yet here he is munching away on them in the run up to his fight, one being a super carb supplement when he is supposed to be trying to lose weight

now on top of that, any guy who knows about this stuff can tell u there are much safer supplement to take on the market that are certified ped free and i think have no issues whatsover, like...




so there is literally no excuse for the excuses if u know what i mean

[Gladiator18]

Good to hear. Feel bad about criticising Ryan now

[IronDanHamza]

Why is damn near every high level boxer taking a supplement to many supplements yet only a handful of guys are popping dirty then?

Where is the risk if it doesn't interfer with your activity? Or barely does? Outside of maybe 10% of PED usage situations I'd argue guys receive a suspension (a year or less) thats only slightly above their activity (a fight every 8mos on avg for top 10 guys) worst case.



Show me your proof supplements don't improve athletic performance, allow for deficiencies to be improved & overall make a fighter better/more efficient with their time. Theres only so many hrs in the day to train, rest & put the things you need in your body to be the best version of you on fight night. You CAN get them from food, I never said you couldnt, but I don't think it’reasonable or accessible for most boxers to do this for numerous reasons.

Because it’s not contained to every supplement. This actually supports the counter argument to what you made. Supplement contamination is rife, we know that, but like what I don’t know, out of 100 tubs of said supplement 17 will have issue? That’s a made up number but the point I’m making is that’s why Ryan going and getting the exact same supplement and handing it to VADA means NOTHING. Because just because that exact supplement is contaminated doesn’t prove the one he was using was.

The risk is getting labelled a PED cheat for life. Nobody wants that, and that’s what you get. Whether it was intentional or not. Which is why the best course of action for tested athlete is again to avoid over the counter supplements.

I didn’t say over the counter supplements don’t improve athletic performance, of course they do. I said they aren’t necessary for optimal performance, which they are objectively are not. Like I said, the most beneficial part of over the counter supplements are most convenience.

A clean diet improves athletic performance, way more so than any over the counter supplement would. Adequate sleep improves athletic performance dratcilly in comparison to over the counter supplements. These things are necessary for optimal performance. Over the counter supplements are not.

I mean, I don’t mean any disrespect but you don’t sound too versed on this topic. There aren’t enough hours in the day? Are you actually serious?

[Smash]

ryan garcia, weed smoker, alco, ped user, scales cheater, annoying twat never won a title, but other than that i thinks hes ok