Comments Thread For: Crawford Responds to Errol Spence Injury: 'Last I Can Recall We Definitely Get Our Eyes Checked Before Every Fight'

[archiemoore1]

Whoa whoa pump those brakes my guy I would never call any pro fighter a bum or a nobody no matter how good or bad fighter is, Im perfectly aware of Boots skillset and abilities, Im just saying he not that proven yet at the very top of the ww division thats all. Good thing is, As the poster above pointed out correctly, Boots just 26 so that means he just entering his prime years so yeah, A LOT more to prove still but for now the best ww on the planet is named Terrence Crawford that is til he decides to move north in weight of course. Let me ask you this ,lets say Bud decides to make one last dance at 147 against Ennis next, who would you pick to win honestly? Based on what we've seen from both guys so far.

I won't answer that. I will say that if u read my old posts, I knew exactly what was gonna happen to Errol. But Boots isn't a drinker, hasn't been thrown from a Ferrari at 100 mph, or had eye surgeries like Errol. and like Bud, Boots lives in the gym. He has the discipline and hard work ethic as past greats. He's much quicker and faster thinking than Errol, much more versatile, creative, and spontaneous than Errol. Much younger and fitter and has never abused his body. Also Errol was knocked out cold by that accident so bad that he lost 2 weeks of memory and many teeth. So he was knocked out worse than a typical ring knockout. Boots has never been knocked out. He's much fresher and more dangerous than Errol. Having said that, Bud is very wise. He's more experienced as a pro. And very skilled and strong. But ppl who say Bud will just wipe Boots out, are crazy.

[Gary Coleman]

Timeline dumba$$.... Timeline. You call it dancing, but I know your in denial purposely because you look like a fool trying to face reality with your agenda. Nice try little lady......

*Incoherent rambling*

[_Rexy_]

Now we're gonna believe Spence was also blind

[ptek]

Bud unfortunately hasn't got a Leonard , Duran or Hearns to test him. Enis might be a start.

Ennis needs to ho test himself against the other 147 pounders .

Nobody knows if he Crawford even stays at 147.

[ptek]

Guess who mostly everyone considers the top welterweight now? It’s boots. Shot yourself in the foot there buddy

Most people fought Spence was Top as well, before that brutal fish fry Friday beatt down, so what you saying ?

Fact is Boots needs to go fight somebody, anybody. Shouldn't be to hard now he's got that IBF belt right ?.

[Robi13]

Most people fought Spence was Top as well, before that brutal fish fry Friday beatt down, so what you saying ?

Fact is Boots needs to ho fight somebody, anybody. Shouldn't be to hard now he's got that IBF belt right ?.

Shouldn’t be, but idk.. it’s yet to be seen of the opponents are willing to step in with the kid. But I agreed, he needs to forget about Bud and focus on building his own career, if the bud fight presents itself in the future fine and if not fine, he will have his arch rival eventually.

[Str8.2.Da.Point]

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It’s not just vs caliber opponents. Think of it this way (and I’ve read your posts so I know you are knowledgeable);
When Hatton was 39-0, way before he fought Floyd, no one in the US thought much of him. Despite his “stellar” record, we all knew he would get beat up once he came to the US and Collazo pretty much proved it. There was no “eye test”
When Kamboso came to the US and despite beating Teo, we all knew he would eventually get beat. There was no “eye test” view on him.

The same was the case with guys like Kelly Pavlik, Mayorga (even after beating the great Vernon Forrest), Tim Bradley, Amir Khan, and many others. I’m not knocking these guys. All of them have had decent careers but we never once looked at them and anointed them the next Ray or Roy or Floyd or whoever the barometer is that fits the “eye test”.

Boots seems to have the goods and has looked spectacular against 99% of his opponents. Had Boots gotten a shot at Spence, I think he would have destroyed Spence the same way Bud did.

You are right about Boots not bringing anything to the table but that’s why Budcwould get the lion share of the purse.

I do hope he gets any of the names you listed especially Thurman. I hope he gets that fight.

I love your take. Love the name drops. And I see what your vantage point is. It's very logical. But you forget, eye test has a lot to do with the style and character of the fighter. Not just his production vs his opponents. Fighters like Pavlik, Khan, Bradley, etc.... they didn't have a style that made the casual fan fall in love with them as a prospect. Beating your opponents aren't isn't enough. Dominating them with a certain style is what markets an individual as "the next......" Look at Adrien Broner.....he never was an extremely dominant individual in the ring, but his character and style led many to believe he could be the successor of Floyd. Today people look at Shakur Stevenson and see his IQ and how he goes about his business as a fighter as being the next p4p King once Crawford rides off into the sunset.

What you pointed out is very logical and true, but we also have the other side which is what pushes the notion of what we know as "the eye test"..... If a fighter is good to above average and looks damn good vs the caliber of opponents they face at that particular point in their career, the public will attach them to a former great who had the style that fighter possesses. And it's usually pushed by the naked eye of a casual fan because most seasoned and knowledgeable boxing fans are able to articulate the difference in what they see from the current fighter and the great they are compared to.

Boots is a hell of a fighter. No one needs to have ultimate knowledge to acknowledge that. But we as fans forget that this sport is as much a business, if not more, than it is about the competitors doing what they do........Boots will never get a shot at Crawford if he can only warrant nickels and dimes being put up for his work in the ring........Crawford hasn't been paid less than a million for a purse in over a decade now. Boots has yet to take home over half a million.

One of 3 things have to happen for Boots to get a Crawford fight today (outside of Spence backing out of a rematch):
-Boots has to become a mandatory for a title held by Crawford.
----->It's possible to happen even if he has a title. These sanctioning bodies are willing to do anything if they can market their belt being in a demanded match up.
-Boots has to poke at Crawford's ego.
----->Crawford is highly competitive. Very prideful. Not saying Boots has to be disrespectful, but he does have to publicly and personally tell Crawford that he is 2nd compared to him. This is how Hank Lundy, Jose Benavidez, & Dierry Jean got their shots at Crawford. Neither of them were even on his radar, but opened their mouth publically (and personally in a couple cases) about Crawford catching his attention.
-Crawford has to be willing to take a significant pay cut in order to help catapult Ennis into stardom
----->As much as we as boxing fans would love to see this fight.........most don't know anything about Jaron Ennis or his potential. It's easy for one of us to say he's a big name in the sport because we know who we should be paying attention to, but truthfully, if Ennis was close to being a star, he would have at the very least headlined a major ticket by now and gotten a purse worth stating they are the A-Side vs any opponent not named Crawford. Hell, if he was to fight Keith Thurman, he would be the B-side simply because of what Thurman would bring in marketing the fight.

Any of those things happen on Boots end......politics go out the window and we as fans get to enjoy this fight that could possibly be the bridging of 2 great eras of boxing.

[Str8.2.Da.Point]

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I will not argue against your points. You make a compelling case.
I’m staying on the “eye test” and one more thing but that can wait.
Had Boots fought Avanesyan and Kavaliauskas, how do you think those fought would have played out? I certainly know Boots would have beaten them the same way he beat Villa.

As for anything that happened in 2018 or 2019 or even 2020, I don’t think Boots had the experience to fight Bud then. He was barely 21 years old in 2021. There is no shame in not fighting Bud or wiggling out of a fight vs Bud.

The one more thing I mentioned is, I don’t disagree that Bud has anything to prove. Beating Spence elevates Bud to an ATG, no question. I don’t need to see Bud beat Boots to prove anything. I’m a boxing fan first. I like Bud and I was pretty sure he was going to beat up Spence. In the same context, I like Boots and believe he is an incredible talent. If he doesn’t get a shot at Bud, I’m pretty sure he’ll become the 2nd man to unify the 147 division. The problem is, there is no one at 147 to catapult him into the echelons of yesteryear Welterweights hence my wish for a Bud showdown. If he gets beat, well, there is no shame in losing to an ATG.

I think Boots beats Avaneysan & Kavaliauskas, not in the same manner as Villa though. Villa was unproven and the best opponent on his resume was Rashidi Ellis. Talented fighter but was not trained for a 12 round bout. Rashidi's speed and footwork gave Villa multiple issues. Eventually Villa caught up with Ellis and was able to get a W. vs Ennis, Villa didn't have to deal with speed. He had to deal with quickness and IQ. Something HE wasn't prepare for.

-Boots vs Avaneysan would be a nice step up as we saw Avaneysan make the proper adjustments and nullify the athleticism of Joshua Kelly on his way to a stoppage win. Remember JK is another fighter that "passes the eye test" but as he's stepping up in competition, he's not as flashy. I believe the same thing happens with Ennis. Fighting Karen showcased that he still hasn't mastered the art of real estate in the ring.
-Boots vs Kavaliauskas is a tough fight because quite frankly, Kavaliauskas is a tough individual. I attended his fight vs Crawford and vs Ortiz....That dude is solid and he doesn't mind mixing it up. He also has showcase a little bit of IQ vs both fighters. He actually hurt both of them. So we know that he can punch. But we also know that Ortiz and Crawford have a massive amount of power as well, thus they were able to take him out. Ennis would know be able to survive if he allowed a puncher like Kavaliauskas to hit him the way Dulorme or Lipinets did early in their fights vs Ennis.

And yes, in 2018....Ennis was DEFINITELY inexperienced, thus it was easy for Bud to point out the lie in his claim. Crawford hadn't established himself as a heavy hitter at 147 just yet. Jeff Horn was the start of it all. In no way was Ennis trying to fight Crawford nor was he even in the position to even mention his name as he didn't even become ranked in the division until after the pandemic began.

I agree, we want to see Crawford Ennis for fan-selfish reasons. It's a fight I would like to analyze in 10 years, rather than coming up with scenarios on how it could have played out. Maybe and hopefully Crawford will give Ennis the opportunity as he is about to hang up his gloves. I've always said, Crawford needs to have a retirement fight in Lincoln, NE in Memorial Stadium. The Cornhuskers, though not the dominant force they were in the 80s & 90s, they are still a national brand and that stadium is everything as epic as Jerry's World in Dallas (where Spence fought Mikey & Porter). Crawford reps his state (city) like no other. I'm sure the University of Nebraska would love to host a monumental exit of one of the states greatest athletes. Hell, they just had a volleyball game in the same this past fall that brought in 92K attendees. I don't know anything about Volleyball or how big the sport is in Nebraska.....but when I read that it brought 92K......I was amazed. Imagine if they got behind a 9x world title holder on his farewell bout.

[Str8.2.Da.Point]

I’m in my emotions? lol relax, I could care less what bud or boots make per fight. My statement is still true you imbecile

LOL.....you are definitely emotional on this subject. Look at how you jumped on here with you opinions and when I brought the facts to you, immediately your energy went left field. Now you are trying to make it seem as though, you were casual on the subject. Still not smart enough to see the flaw in your logic.....Or maybe you are purposely trying to play ignorant because believing it's true allows you to continue to push an agenda........

I'll help you out and then leave you with your ignorance......Nobody making pennies to the dollar is a "Top Dog" in this sport. Not even your Man Crush Jaron Ennis. There are fighters on Crawford's undercards that make more money per fight than Ennis which showcases his value in the sport, goofy. But your statement is true huh?.......LOL.....I'm good on this conversation.

You seem to just like to argue til you get the last word so you can feel you accomplished something..... I'll give you that enjoyment. I'm done with you.

[Robi13]

LOL.....you are definitely emotional on this subject. Look at how you jumped on here with you opinions and when I brought the facts to you, immediately your energy went left field. Now you are trying to make it seem as though, you were casual on the subject. Still not smart enough to see the flaw in your logic.....Or maybe you are purposely trying to play ignorant because believing it's true allows you to continue to push an agenda........

I'll help you out and then leave you with your ignorance......Nobody making pennies to the dollar is a "Top Dog" in this sport. Not even your Man Crush Jaron Ennis. There are fighters on Crawford's undercards that make more money per fight than Ennis which showcases his value in the sport, goofy. But your statement is true huh?.......LOL.....I'm good on this conversation.

You seem to just like to argue til you get the last word so you can feel you accomplished something..... I'll give you that enjoyment. I'm done with you.

Bro, you’re the one going on rants and writing novels.. relax