Comments Thread For: It Wasn't Supposed To Be This Way For Demetrius Andrade

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Sometimes, it's difficult to pinpoint who's the best fighter in the world. Boxing politics and fickle fans sprinkle their own narrative into things. There's no reason why one fighter associated with one promoter can't fight another fighter associated with someone else. But, that's just the way boxing works. We don't get the matchups we want at times and when we do, you can smell the expiration date a mile away.
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[Griever0730]

This was a very solid piece on Andrade that hit the nail on the head to a T. Sadly, he won't be remembered as a great fighter with amazing talent bc of how his career played out due to all his other contemporaries avoiding him and him shooting himself in the foot constantly business-wise and making it easier for them to avoid him. Unless he goes on and does amazing things, he'll probably be remembered for taking on a dangerous guy like Benavidez in a division he had no business being in and being pummeled by him in his biggest moment after a long career in the shadows

[Caxcan]

It's like writers in the boxing world craft their own narratives without basic fact checking. First of all, the claim that he was lowballed by Jermell's side was just his lying to save face. In his lawsuit against Rocnation, he acknowledged Showtime offered him a "tremendous" career high $550K payday )which was a larger sum than anyone was going to pay him at the time) PLUS a 3 fight deal with an increase in pay per fight. He had a major network offering him a platform to become a star but he declined it to hold out for Rocnation which never offered anything in writing for him-- and he admitted he was compelled to reject the Showtime deal out of fear because Jermell was with Haymon who's affiliated with Showtime. And he probably lied about the RocNation situation was well considering he ended up dropping the lawsuit. Andrade would end up sitting out for over a year and got stripped then spent the remainder of his years at 154 refusing to challenge for a title. If there were any uncertainly about his reluctance to face Jermell, he left no doubt when he was later named mandatory to Jermell's WBC belt, but gave up his position while also announcing that he'd avoid Lara who was holding the WBA super title, instead preferring to face Culcay for a paper belt and only $100K.

And it was more of the same from Andrade at 160. He pulled out of a WBO mandatory title shot vs Korobov. He said he and Jacobs were swerving each other because of their friendship. He pulled out of talks with Derevyachenko and refused to face his mandatory Janibek. Funny thing, Andrade said Janibek wasn't worth his time when Janibek was a fellow amateur champ which was his main claim to fame. Side note, even the Saunders fight could have happened earlier but Andrade threw a wrench in things: team Saunders had promised that if he stepped aside and allowed Saunders to face Korobov for the title, he'd be guaranteed a shot at the winner. However, Andrade went behind their backs and appealed for a mandatory title shot at Korobov instead which was granted but he ended up pulling out of that too (like I previously mentioned).

Also, the claim that Canelo "ducked" Andrade at 160 is more nonsense. After Canelo unified with Jacobs, the IBF ordered he face Derevyachenko, but Derevyachenko stalled out talks by rejecting career high money. Golden Boy then requested Canelo be allowed to unify with Andrade instead, but the IBF rejected his appeal and stripped him instead. With undisputed no longer on the table, Canelo ended up moving up to face bigger and far more proven champs than Andrade. It was Andrade who after all his talk pulled out of four purse bids, refusing to face either his 160 mandatory Janibek or take a 168 mandatory challenger slot vs Canelo. Instead Andrade opted to waste another year of his prime with his inactivity, and ended up facing a random journeyman when he finally returned to the ring.

The guy made terrible career move after terrible career move and never even did the minimum of keeping a busy schedule. He averaged around one fight a year ever since first coming on to the scene and had several years in which he didn't fight period. Whatever raw talent he once possessed he never honed with his inactivity and lower tier opposition. He's more of an example of how far you can make it through boxing politics when you're American with an 0 (even it's untested). The guy is a "2 division champ" yet had never faced or beat a champ or ex champ in any division lol. More than anything, he should serve as a cautionary tale for young fighters as far as what no to do. Maybe Andrade thought he was being smart and extending his career by playing it safe and being inactive while holding out for the big cash out, but all he was doing was stunting his own development and was unready when the time finally came to step it up. But then again, Andrade may very well have lost to Mell and Lara back at 154 and we wouldn't be talking about him today. He gave lackluster performances even against the lower tier fighters he was facing.

[Bad_Guy]

Andrade will not be remembered at all. He's a run of the mill journeyman at this point that could be replaced by any other up and coming fighter today.

[ShoulderRoll]

He should have taken the Jermell Charlo fight. That decision and Roc Nation basically doomed him to never getting a big fight until he was old.

[Knuckle sandwich]

It's like writers in the boxing world craft their own narratives without basic fact checking. First of all, the claim that he was lowballed by Jermell's side was just his lying to save face. In his lawsuit against Rocnation, he acknowledged Showtime offered him a "tremendous" career high $550K payday )which was a larger sum than anyone was going to pay him at the time) PLUS a 3 fight deal with an increase in pay per fight. He had a major network offering him a platform to become a star but he declined it to hold out for Rocnation which never offered anything in writing for him-- and he admitted he was compelled to reject the Showtime deal out of fear because Jermell was with Haymon who's affiliated with Showtime. And he probably lied about the RocNation situation was well considering he ended up dropping the lawsuit. Andrade would end up sitting out for over a year and got stripped then spent the remainder of his years at 154 refusing to challenge for a title. If there were any uncertainly about his reluctance to face Jermell, he left no doubt when he was later named mandatory to Jermell's WBC belt, but gave up his position while also announcing that he'd avoid Lara who was holding the WBA super title, instead preferring to face Culcay for a paper belt and only $100K.

And it was more of the same from Andrade at 160. He pulled out of a WBO mandatory title shot vs Korobov. He said he and Jacobs were swerving each other because of their friendship. He pulled out of talks with Derevyachenko and refused to face his mandatory Janibek. Funny thing, Andrade said Janibek wasn't worth his time when Janibek was a fellow amateur champ which was his main claim to fame. Side note, even the Saunders fight could have happened earlier but Andrade threw a wrench in things: team Saunders had promised that if he stepped aside and allowed Saunders to face Korobov for the title, he'd be guaranteed a shot at the winner. However, Andrade went behind their backs and appealed for a mandatory title shot at Korobov instead which was granted but he ended up pulling out of that too (like I previously mentioned).

Also, the claim that Canelo "ducked" Andrade at 160 is more nonsense. After Canelo unified with Jacobs, the IBF ordered he face Derevyachenko, but Derevyachenko stalled out talks by rejecting career high money. Golden Boy then requested Canelo be allowed to unify with Andrade instead, but the IBF rejected his appeal and stripped him instead. With undisputed no longer on the table, Canelo ended up moving up to face bigger and far more proven champs than Andrade. It was Andrade who after all his talk pulled out of four purse bids, refusing to face either his 160 mandatory Janibek or take a 168 mandatory challenger slot vs Canelo. Instead Andrade opted to waste another year of his prime with his inactivity, and ended up facing a random journeyman when he finally returned to the ring.

The guy made terrible career move after terrible career move and never even did the minimum of keeping a busy schedule. He averaged around one fight a year ever since first coming on to the scene and had several years in which he didn't fight period. Whatever raw talent he once possessed he never honed with his inactivity and lower tier opposition. He's more of an example of how far you can make it through boxing politics when you're American with an 0 (even it's untested). The guy is a "2 division champ" yet had never faced or beat a champ or ex champ in any division lol. More than anything, he should serve as a cautionary tale for young fighters as far as what no to do. Maybe Andrade thought he was being smart and extending his career by playing it safe and being inactive while holding out for the big cash out, but all he was doing was stunting his own development and was unready when the time finally came to step it up. But then again, Andrade may very well have lost to Mell and Lara back at 154 and we wouldn't be talking about him today. He gave lackluster performances even against the lower tier fighters he was facing.

This is how no smokes career will go

[boxing IQ]

His fight against Kautondokwa is one of the greatest displays of skill in modern boxing.

He's a very likable guy, just wish things went better for him. Sadly, you do make your own choices in life.

[anonymous2.0]

iirc he hired his family lawyer to be his manager. Nothing wrong with being loyal, but his lawyer had no idea how to manage a boxer's career and it showed.

[oscar delapolla]

Sometimes, it's difficult to pinpoint who's the best fighter in the world. Boxing politics and fickle fans sprinkle their own narrative into things. There's no reason why one fighter associated with one promoter can't fight another fighter associated with someone else. But, that's just the way boxing works. We don't get the matchups we want at times and when we do, you can smell the expiration date a mile away.
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lo que le paso a andrade es un monstruo por encima,a cualquiera podia pasarle lo mismo

[gooderz84]

The scratched fight with Billy Joe Saunders was the one. After that, his avoidance of a challenge to finish the propellment of his name was just too much to stomach. You have to earn it in the paid ranks. Man just wanted a huge fight off the back of what? Jack Culcay? Come on man. Maybe if he'd annihilated Liam Williams but he didn't.