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The one thing that needs to be said regarding Wilder is that he truly went out on his shield , where as, after being dominated and bounced off the canvass four times Joshua quit in his corner , refusing the referee's clear attempts to get him to fight on. Unfortunately all there to see on the video , arms on ropes , confused , Hearn said concussed ...what ever, refusing to fight on ...he quit a little similar to DD .
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They could have just made the fight THIS TIME around instead of this teaser nonsense putting them on the same card.... dude the public has been asking for this fight for like 6 ***ing years already.Goatintheboat likes this.
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Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL View Post
Skill for skill? It was not a better overall match up than Wladimir Kiltschko vs Anthony Joshua ;Those were two Olympic Champions clashing, two powerful punchers who fundamentally are better boxers than both Fury and Wilder'.
What I mean by this is? Fury is not as technical sound and fundamentally correct as Anthony Joshua skill for skill 'Which is most likely the reason why Fury has been decked 8-9 times during his career even though he has barely fought at World level outside of Kiltschko and Wilder'.
During Wilder vs Fury III both fighters were fatigued badly from round 2 to 3 on wards, and making unforced errors all over the place 'What lead to Fury first being decked, was that for no apparent reason early on in the fight. Fury just decided out of nowhere to square up to Wilder, as if he was opening the front door to his house than BAM. Wilder Decked Fury'.
The entire fight skill for skill consisted of unforced errors, bad positions, clumsy fighting by both fighters 'Wilder vs Fury III, was a great fight mainly because of the determination and passion both fighters had to win. But skill for skill, the action that was on display? This was not all-time great match up, it is not on the level of Rid**** Bowe vs Evander Holyfield, or Joe Frazier vs Muhammad Ali'.
There have been people within the sport that do not rate that match up very highly skill for skill.
Shane Mcguigan for example in terms of pure boxing, does not regard it as a great overall performance from Tyson Fury 'Those are top boxing coaches speaking mate, people that know the game on objective level when it comes to the action'.
Joshua vs Usyk I & II skill for skill in terms of pure boxing was a higher level match up than the entire Wilder vs Fury trilogy.
Both Tyson Fury & Deontay Wilder especially in the third fight were just making too many technical mistakes 'It was a great fight in terms of passion, and action. But the actual quality of boxing was not super high mate'.
Note: I personally enjoyed the Wilder vs Fury trilogy more than Joshua vs Usyk I & II, but I don't regard it as a particular super high level match up.
I think that should be clear now, that both Wilder and Fury have potentially acted like a smoke screen for each other 'And their current true form'.
If Wilder vs Fury III, was the highest level match up of this era skill for skill ? Then why did Tyson Fury struggle vs Ngannou? The Ngannou vs Fury fight in my opinion unearthed Tyson Fury's true current form.
Overall all mate, I get it 'You enjoyed the Wilder vs Fury trilogy. I also enjoyed the trilogy, the rivalry was awesome'. What made the match up great was the passion, the resolve and determination.
But skill for skill, the match up was messy, clumsy, a technically all over the place match up 'Especially Wilder vs Fury III'.
If you want to sit here and try and make it out to be something it was not 'If you want to try and claim that Wilder vs Fury III, is the gold standard of Heavyweight boxing of this era skill for skill. Then you are going to have to believe a lot nonsense, you are gong to have to convince yourself that technically, clumsy all over the place boxing is great boxing'.
If you want to do that? Go for it 'I am not going to be doing that mate'.
Deep down you know what you are saying is nonsense, that is why you are not saying much.
But if you want to expand more on why you think Wilder vs Fury III is the greatest match up in it's entire totality of this era 'Then go ahead mate, expand more than just quoting me and trying to disagree'.
The stage is right here mate, I want to know why and how you can rate Wilder vs Fury III skill for skill so highly? Was Wilder's inside fighting on the level of Evander Holyfeild's? Was Fury's mid to long range boxing and defense great? Is squaring up on the inside as if he was opening the front door to his house, a elite level move? No.
You enjoyed the match up, you enjoyed the passion 'And the determination on display'.
But seriously mate, stop it with the nonsense 'Wilder vs Fury III, is not the Gold Standard match up of Heavyweight boxing in totality skill for skill' within this era etc.
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Originally posted by fifth_root View PostI am sure this will never happen and the main reason is that coward AJ and his vile manager. Wilder was a cherry picker, but after the Fury trilogy it seems he isn't afraid of taking punishment at least.
It will be interesting to see what both sides will talk after their December fights, as the outcomes will predefine their future.
Originally they were going with Joshua vs Wilder but it would be dumb for Wilder to take on a bigger threat with that long lay off it’s why Wilder was hinting at rematch clauses prior to this event .
Wilder vs Joshua is the plan in 2024 . That’s a fact .Last edited by juggernaut666; 11-27-2023, 02:57 AM.
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