Comments Thread For: Groves: I Don't Think It's Usyk Next For Fury; It's Either Ngannou Or That's The Last Of Fury

[ProblemChild_JakePaul]

I love it when people mention the Wallin fight as a loss for Fury because it shows who the idiots are.
Fury clearly won the Wallin fight with at least 7 rounds in Fury's favor. Besides the cut and round 12, where Fury clearly gassed, Wallin had little to no success which is why Wallin did everything possible to paw at the cut because it was his only shot at victory.
People think a cut or a KD wins you the fight but those things mean nothing if you lose rounds. Wallin was getting tossed around the ring by round 5 or 6.

Exactly, and Wallin was a nobody. He went life and death with a nobody.

[ShoulderRoll]

That's spot on. Fury has had a weak reign.

His best wins are against a flawed Wilder who knocked him down several times and almost out

Otto Wallin was a nobody but arguably beat Fury and definitely beat him up.

Then he got knocked down and nearly beat by a first time boxer.

His best win ever may be the Dillian Whyte knockout.


There's a perfectly valid argument Fury's reign was all smoke and mirrors.

Don’t forget that Fury also ended the Klitschko era by beating Wladimir.

[ProblemChild_JakePaul]

Don’t forget that Fury also ended the Klitschko era by beating Wladimir.

Yeah maybe that's his best win actually

[bullydean]

Exactly, and Wallin was a nobody. He went life and death with a nobody.

Not really life and death when Wallin was getting tossed around the ring for half the fight. Getting a cut out of luck and Fury's weak skin isn't Fury's lack of ability. Not to mention Wallin has been avoided since the Fury fight and was highly ranked when he fought Fury.

[thack]

Groves is giving an opinion on a professional boxer, from the perspective of a professional boxer, based on his experience as a professional boxer.



He might be right?

Thankfully you got it..
Equally he may be wrong , hey..

[PRINCEKOOL]

Don’t forget that Fury also ended the Klitschko era by beating Wladimir.

Not quite.

Wladimir Kiltschko did not retired after losing to Tyson Fury. Kiltschhko was a Champion of close to 10 years, and deserved and rematch.

Kiltschko initiated his rematch clause, but unfortunately Tyson Fury kept on pulling out of that rematch.

Kiltschko in the build up his fight vs Joshua made this quote below, and I think it related to Tyson Fury at the time 'But who had then disappeared due to his tribulations outside the ring'.

'I am like mount Everest, many people have climbed and concurred mount Everest. But mount Everest is still there, they are not' Wladimir Kiltschko.

Tyson Fury beat Wladimir Kiltschko a mega win, then he disappeared unfortunately. The Heavyweight threat of Wladimir Kiltschko still remained.

It was then Anthony Joshua who truly beat up and took the Heavyweight Division into a new era 'In the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years' etc.

[PRINCEKOOL]

No Fury fan here, after the kd i was actually hoping for the big upset by stoppage, it would have been too funny to watch....expecially the aftermath!
That said, i'm 100% convinced that greedy belly didn't train properly and underestimeted Ngannou, and once he got in there and things took the wrong turn, he wasn't capable to mentally switch into a more competitive mindset and struggled way more than he expected.
To me there is too much commotion about what was supposed to be a glorified sparring session, pretty sure that with the belt on the line we would have seen a diffrent Fury!

If Tyson Fury had not trained properly, what are people expecting in the rematch? A 250 pound Fury?

Tyson Fury was in pretty much his normal condition since Wilder II.

Technically Fury has always been a clumsy fighter as well. There are many versions of Tyson Fury.

Clumsy kid, The Riddler, Kronk Fury. Clumsy kid is innately who Fury is, a game yet clumsy fighter who? It is always prone to technical calamity in his fights 'It was Peter Fury who refined this version of Fury, and helped him progressed into The Riddler'.

Tyson Fury's clumsiness has never really been capitalized upon, due to him not actually fighting at elite level skill for skill consistently 'Wilder if only he had more variation on his punches, and creativity. Wilder really should of taken Fury out in their 3rd fight'.

Wilder is a great fighter within this era of Heavyweights, but technically skill for skill no boxing purest can rate his technical ability as elite level.

What lead to Fury first being knock down by Wilder in the 3rd fight, was a unforced error 'For no apparent reason, Fury early on in the fight decided to square up to Wilder as if he was opening the front door to his house then? BAM, Wilder decked him'.

I have continually theorized that Fury, may not have actually been performing to a high level since Wilder III 'That fight was a great match up, in terms of passion and competition. But skill for skill, it was not a high level match up.

Note: Wilder vs Fury III, was not on the same level as Joshua vs Usyk I & II skill for skill in terms of pure boxing etc.

[thack]

Not quite.

Wladimir Kiltschko did not retired after losing to Tyson Fury. Kiltschhko was a Champion of close to 10 years, and deserved and rematch.

Kiltschko initiated his rematch clause, but unfortunately Tyson Fury kept on pulling out of that rematch.

Kiltschko in the build up his fight vs Joshua made this quote below, and I think it related to Tyson Fury at the time 'But who had then disappeared due to his tribulations outside the ring'.

'I am like mount Everest, many people have climbed and concurred mount Everest. But mount Everest is still there, they are not' Wladimir Kiltschko.

Tyson Fury beat Wladimir Kiltschko a mega win, then he disappeared unfortunately. The Heavyweight threat of Wladimir Kiltschko still remained.

It was then Anthony Joshua who truly beat up and took the Heavyweight Division into a new era 'In the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years' etc.

Anthony Joshua beat Kiltschko two years after Fury had beaten him (and he was slowing by then) , it was a life and death fight for Joshua with Wlad who at 41 was clearly then past his best and wisely decided to never lace them again. .....Just WHO did Joshua truly beat up old Wlad or Charles Martin? ....and took the heavyweight division in to a new era ? He was annihilated by the first guy he fought who wasn't hand picked , he quit in the corner if you remember , hands on the top ropes and not responding to the referee's call to fight on , after embarrassingly rolling around the ring four times , and later had an in the ring totally embarrassing breakdown after another fight.....I don't like that 'new era'....Not quite!

[PRINCEKOOL]

Anthony Joshua beat Kiltschko two years after Fury had beaten him (and he was slowing by then) , it was a life and death fight for Joshua with Wlad who at 41 was clearly then past his best and wisely decided to never lace them again. .....Just WHO did Joshua truly beat up old Wlad or Charles Martin? ....and took the heavyweight division in to a new era ? He was annihilated by the first guy he fought who wasn't hand picked , he quit in the corner if you remember , hands on the top ropes and not responding to the referee's call to fight on , after embarrassingly rolling around the ring four times , and later had an in the ring totally embarrassing breakdown after another fight.....I don't like that 'new era'....Not quite!

2 years is 24 months, Anthony Joshua beat Wladimir Kiltschko 17 months after the Tyson Fury fight 'So a full 8 months off 2 years'.

Kiltschko never retired, he had to endure three back to back training camps before fighting Anthony Joshua, because Fury disappeared due to his situation unfortunately.

Anthony Joshua beat the version of Wladimir Kiltschko, that Fury should of fought in their rematch.

Joshua has never had a bad performance to the level that Fury had vs Ngannou. 'Andy Ruiz Junior outside of the top-4 heavyweights has most likely been the 5th-6th best Heavyweight of this era. If Tyson Fury was to fight and beat Ruiz Junior it would be his 3rd best win on his resume'.

Joshua has never been legitimate knocked out, even in his worst fight vs Ruiz Junior he still decked Ruiz Junior fought his way back into the fight before being stopped on his feet with a smile on his face. Joshua's only other two loses were two back to back competitive fights Uysk, who Fury has not fought 'Joshua also avenged his loss to Ruiz Junior'.

Joshua has made more World title defenses than Fury, Joshua has objectively beaten more top level Heavyweights than Fury 'Joshua has been decked a less number of times than Fury even though he has consistently fought at a higher level'.

I am not claiming that Joshua is the best Heavyweight of this era, he is not but ? Fury has not been operating, and potentially has never been miles better than all these other top Heavyweights 'And Fury is not as great as his hardcore fans have claimed him to be, the feats of achievement are quite simply not on his resume'.

The game moves on mate, we are witnessing the conclusive stages of this era 'I have called this competition between the top-4 Heavyweights, as a competition to see who will be the last man standing. Muhammad Ali was the last man standing from the 70's, Lennox Lewis the last man standing from the 90's, Wladimir Kiltschko the last man standing from the post Lennox Lewis era. Who will be the last man standing from this era, we have witness this type of dynamic before in past era's ?' Tyson Fury's has just taken a big hit, but the game moves on etc.

[Toffee]

I love it when people mention the Wallin fight as a loss for Fury because it shows who the idiots are.
Fury clearly won the Wallin fight with at least 7 rounds in Fury's favor. Besides the cut and round 12, where Fury clearly gassed, Wallin had little to no success which is why Wallin did everything possible to paw at the cut because it was his only shot at victory.
People think a cut or a KD wins you the fight but those things mean nothing if you lose rounds. Wallin was getting tossed around the ring by round 5 or 6.

Wallin started pretty well and cut Fury in the third round. He then focused just on the cut rather than continue fighting the way he had been. To be fair to him, the cut was enough to stop the fight so I don't blame him for focusing on it.

But they couldn't let Fury lose to a nobody. So the fight continued.

In the twelfth Wallin had a go again and had Fury hurt.

The cut wasn't luck. It was a good punch.

And that was a poor version of Fury who turned up that night, after swerving an ordered fight against Wilder and instead fighting someone who hadn't fought at anywhere near that level before.

Fury may have won on points but he definitely got away with a massive "cherry pick gone wrong" moment.