Comments Thread For: Groves: I Don't Think It's Usyk Next For Fury; It's Either Ngannou Or That's The Last Of Fury

[kafkod]

What about the contract Fury signed with Usyk and the Saudi prince?

You can't just change your mind and walk away from a multi million dollar contract without repercussions.

From what I know of how these things work, only retirement or some kind of serious injury/illness can get Fury out of that contract.

[Marchegiano]

I keep hearing about this "Riyad season". What does that mean exactly? Some kind of religious thing?

[kafkod]

If Tyson Fury had not trained properly, what are people expecting in the rematch? A 250 pound Fury?

Tyson Fury was in pretty much his normal condition since Wilder II.

Technically Fury has always been a clumsy fighter as well. There are many versions of Tyson Fury.

Clumsy kid, The Riddler, Kronk Fury. Clumsy kid is innately who Fury is, a game yet clumsy fighter who? It is always prone to technical calamity in his fights 'It was Peter Fury who refined this version of Fury, and helped him progressed into The Riddler'.

Tyson Fury's clumsiness has never really been capitalized upon, due to him not actually fighting at elite level skill for skill consistently 'Wilder if only he had more variation on his punches, and creativity. Wilder really should of taken Fury out in their 3rd fight'.

Wilder is a great fighter within this era of Heavyweights, but technically skill for skill no boxing purest can rate his technical ability as elite level.

What lead to Fury first being knock down by Wilder in the 3rd fight, was a unforced error 'For no apparent reason, Fury early on in the fight decided to square up to Wilder as if he was opening the front door to his house then? BAM, Wilder decked him'.

I have continually theorized that Fury, may not have actually been performing to a high level since Wilder III 'That fight was a great match up, in terms of passion and competition. But skill for skill, it was not a high level match up.

Note: Wilder vs Fury III, was not on the same level as Joshua vs Usyk I & II skill for skill in terms of pure boxing etc.

Nowhere near.

And yes, the 1st knock down scored by Wilder came as a result of Fury getting overconfident and trying to walk Deontay down without any regard or respect for what he might walk into.

[ShoulderRoll]

Not quite.

Wladimir Kiltschko did not retired after losing to Tyson Fury. Kiltschhko was a Champion of close to 10 years, and deserved and rematch.

Kiltschko initiated his rematch clause, but unfortunately Tyson Fury kept on pulling out of that rematch.

Kiltschko in the build up his fight vs Joshua made this quote below, and I think it related to Tyson Fury at the time 'But who had then disappeared due to his tribulations outside the ring'.

'I am like mount Everest, many people have climbed and concurred mount Everest. But mount Everest is still there, they are not' Wladimir Kiltschko.

Tyson Fury beat Wladimir Kiltschko a mega win, then he disappeared unfortunately. The Heavyweight threat of Wladimir Kiltschko still remained.

It was then Anthony Joshua who truly beat up and took the Heavyweight Division into a new era 'In the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years' etc.

Klitschko did not retire after losing to Tyson Fury but his reign as champion was ended for good.

With his title lineage passing to Fury who has yet to lose it in the ring.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Klitschko did not retire after losing to Tyson Fury but his reign as champion was ended for good.

With his title lineage passing to Fury who has yet to lose it in the ring.

Fury did not beat up or knock out Wladimir Kiltschko mate, sometimes Champions lose 'They rematch that opponent and win'.

Muhammad Ali, Lennox Lewis, and more Champions have avenge their loses in immediate rematches.

Fury's win over Kiltschko is a mega win, but Fury did not 100% take the Heavyweight era into a new epoch.

Fury breached the Kiltschko reign, then Joshua took the Heavyweight division into a new era 'That is why Fury & Joshua's careers are strongly linked'.

Nobody in boxing thought of Kiltschko's loss to Fury, as the type of loss which would of forced him to retire 'It was not that type of win from fury, and regardless of what people say Fury never backed it up with a rematch win. A Champion of close to 10 years in Kiltschko really did deserve a rematch, a proper all out defense of his titles'.

I have always sensed that the battle had only just begun between Kiltschko & Fury, then Fury disappeared unfortunately.

Note: Fury's reign is not in a very good position mate, nobody is going to be hoodwinked anymore. All these fancy wordings or descriptions of his reign are not going to enhance the reality of the situation 'Fury has not been fighting at a consistently high level, when he has he has been ****** about. And he has just been ****** about in his last fight vs a novice fighter in their very first professional boxing match' Fury has two mega wins on his resume, but outside of that he has barely fought at World level etc.

[ShoulderRoll]

Fury did not beat up or knock out Wladimir Kiltschko mate, sometimes Champions lose 'They rematch that opponent and win'.

Muhammad Ali, Lennox Lewis, and more Champions have avenge their loses in immediate rematches.

Fury's win over Kiltschko is a mega win, but Fury did not 100% take the Heavyweight era into a new epoch.

Fury breached the Kiltschko reign, then Joshua took the Heavyweight division into a new era 'That is why Fury & Joshua's careers are strongly linked'.

Nobody in boxing thought of Kiltschko's loss to Fury, as the type of loss which would of forced him to retire 'It was not that type of win from fury, and regardless of what people say Fury never backed it up with a rematch win. A Champion of close to 10 years in Kiltschko really did deserve a rematch, a proper all out defense of his titles'.

I have always sensed that the battle had only just begun between Kiltschko & Fury, then Fury disappeared unfortunately.

Note: Fury's reign is not in a very good position mate, nobody is going to be hoodwinked anymore. All these fancy wordings or descriptions of his reign are not going to enhance the reality of the situation 'Fury has not been fighting at a consistently high level, when he has he has been ****** about. And he has just been ****** about in his last fight vs a novice fighter in their very first professional boxing match' Fury has two mega wins on his resume, but outside of that he has barely fought at World level etc.

I didn’t say that Fury knocked out Klitschko or that he beat him up. What I said is that Fury ended the Klitschko era and is the lineal champion.

Joshua? He got knocked out by a little chubby kid and lost twice to a former cruiserweight. He doesn’t even enter into the conversation of lineage and eras.

[PRINCEKOOL]

I didn’t say that Fury knocked out Klitschko or that he beat him up. What I said is that Fury ended the Klitschko era and is the lineal champion.

Joshua? He got knocked out by a little chubby kid and lost twice to a former cruiserweight. He doesn’t even enter into the conversation of lineage and eras.

Do you think Tyson Fury is in the conversation or sitting on the same table of greatness with genuine all-time great fighters? Fury is just what is hot right now, or what WAS hot 'The Fury reign is not that hot anymore mate'.

If Fury gets out of the game now, he is just another Heavyweight World Champion 'Which is a great achievement, but he is not at this level which you still seem to believe he is at'.

Joshua has never been legitimately knocked out, he was stopped once by Ruiz on his feet with a smile on his face 'If Tyson Fury was to fight and beat Andy Ruiz Junior 'It would be Fury's 3rd best win on his resume'.

How many times has Tyson Fury been decked now, the man is up and down like a yo yo? Goodness, and his hardcore fans claimed that he was some sort of all-time great defensive boxer 'Fury has been decked the highest number of times out of the top-4 Heavyweights, even though he has barely fought at World level outside of Kiltschko & Wilder'.

Note: Tyson Fury has not fought Usyk, and potentially he may never fight Usyk 'Usyk is the most accomplished active fighter, in the entire sport of boxing. Olympic Champion, Undisputed Cruiserweight World Champion, Unified Heavyweight World Champion, and still undefeated within the professional ranks' etc.

[Boxing2695]

I keep hearing about this "Riyad season". What does that mean exactly? Some kind of religious thing?

It's a long winter festival they've done in Saudi since 2019 from October till march where they have big sporting events. Football,boxing,WWE, tennis etc

[hugh grant]

Of course he will fight Usyk. He will want to make amends after that bad performance with Francis. If he called it a day after that win over Francis, the final word will be i always said fury was overated?
But make fury underdog against Usyk, that might make Fury perform better. But if you make Usyk favourite, that might make Usyk more confident.