We might have to accept Hrgovic and Zhang as the best HWs

[dan_cov]

or be ready to, even then Zhangs like 40.

Are they good? No but right place, right time I'm afraid.

Fury is shot to bits, Wilder is like 40 and no doubt also shot after those beatings but he won't fight anyone at all so who knows - terribly limited puncher to begin with.
Usyk probably has 2-3 fights left max and is aging rapidly.

I think AJ has been written off and *might* actually be able to come again.

The HW division is even worse than even I anticipated and I'm always moaning how much it sucks.

To be perfectly honest its not just the HW divisions either the whole sports in the mud.
In the social media era where men are soft, no great trainers anymore. Nobody has that hunger they're too pampered. We love to sit and think we're bigger and better and have all these advances but really you just have a load of guys who train more like a crossfitter than actual boxers. The only actual advances in boxing is the drugs they consume.

[hugh grant]

Zhang probably no1. When Zhang beat joyce, it was like so what, fury, usyk, josh would be beat Joyce too type thing? But then fury struggles with francis? Are we supposed to believe Zhang would too?

[JakeTheBoxer]

Here we go brother, you are telling no lies.

Fury fans can`t accept this saying Zhang and Hrgovic are no draw, but they will become a draw sooner or later.

Just because Arabs want to invest some crazy money to Fury - Usyk fight , that doesn`t mean that these two are really the best.

Fury has to rematch Ngannou sooner or later ( lol) and Usyk has maybe 3 fights left, these two guys will be gone soon.

[dan_cov]

I am in the minority I think.
I actually had Hrgovic edging Zhang.

Zhang landed the bigger shots and had the better moments but I did have Hrgovic winning on a round by round basis.
I'd like to see a rematch for sure but at the same time I kind of want to see either vs Fury/Usyk/Wilder/AJ before they are anymore past it.

[deathofaclown]

Lol at everyone writing Fury off after a poor outing People dont learn their lessons. The often comes back with a brilliant performance after he has a stinker. He will smash Usyk to bits, 100%.

But more the point...


There's no doubt he doesn't have long left and same for most of the big names in the era. Wilder, Fury, Usyk don't have many fights left in them and probably the same for Joshua which is why he's looking for cash out fights, he's not getting any younger either, he's coming up 35 and mentally done.

Zhang is an old man too and he beat another old man in Joyce who is nearly 40 and been using his head as the first line of Defense since he started boxing. so I wouldn't read too much into that either. this is the same Zhang that got put into hospital by Jerry Forest. He ain't that good.

The truth is time goes fast in boxing, didn't seem that long ago when we were all having arguments on here about who's the best of the generation betwee Manny and Fooyd and wanting to watch them fight and now they are middle-aged Grandfathers looking towards 50 yrs old. so it just shows how fast the boxing world moves. It didn't seem long ago Canelo was a kid and now he's coming up 34. Crawford Is top dog now, in a few years he will be approaching 40 and finished. Eras come and go quickly.

So the new heavyweight era is coming in the next year or two and it won't contain Fury, Usyk, AJ, Wilder, Zhang etc. They'll all either retire and the ones that stick around will become old gatekeepers. That's just the way it's always been in boxing

[dan_cov]

I thought Frank Sanchez could maybe mix it with them, after his last few fights I was like no, not a chance.
But now I have to really reassess.

The division is wide open it really is.

To be honest I think we have given Fury especially and Wilder the benefit of the doubt for way too long when they haven't been fighting fellow top HWs other than themselves.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Zhang is an old man too and he beat another old man in Joyce who is nearly 40 and been using his head as the first line of Defense since he started boxing. so I wouldn't read too much into that either. this is the same Zhang that got put into hospital by Jerry Forest. He ain't that good.

And your hero just struggled with MMA guy, many fans felt like he lost.

So stop this nonsense, you are just looking for excuses for Fury not losing to Zhang.

[dan_cov]

Fury isn't smashing anything to bits.
Usyk is all wrong for Fury. He hasn't a damn clue how to fight a southpaw and hasn't dating all the way back to his amateur days.

His legs have gone hence his move to Sugar Hill now his reflexes and chin have gone and we're seeing just how terrible he is fundamentally.
Usyks style takes away all his strengths.

He has been severely flattered living off a win almost a decade back against a guy who barely threw a punch and beating the most limited HW in history who has never beaten anyone decent in their prime.

He just got outboxed by a totally static MMA fighter making their debut, coming off knee surgery, aged 37 that has never even fought southpaw before. He turns southpaw vs Fury and he outboxed him lol
Look at his lead foot and glove, he is utterly clueless how to fight a southpaw. We seen it vs Wallin who in all honesty was very unfortunate not to walk away with a TKO win but boxing politics strikes in order to keep the Wilder rematch alive.

Fury vs Usyk is only ever competitive if he can implement his size and the ref allows for his dirty tactics. ANY version of Fury.
There are levels to this.

Usyk is far too skilled for Fury.

[dan_cov]

I've always had Usyk winning this fight but now its just a question of whether or not he will stop him which I think is very likely.

I don't give Fury much chance at all outside of some rather typical boxing ****ery.

He doesn't do well vs southpaws or counterpunchers especially that throw in combination. His legs have gone and he only pulls back in straight lines and can no longer move laterally that has been evident for years (look how many times even Wilder and Chisora caught him pulling straight back), it will not fair well vs a front foot combination puncher that utilises angles and doubles & triples up on shots. He only gets away with so much because he is so big.

I think he will actually get worse, he can only get worse from here really rather than better he just took a lot of punishment, he isn't getting any younger & will have to go through another camp plus he's almost guaranteed to have blown up again already. I think he has had his time.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Fury isn't smashing anything to bits.
Usyk is all wrong for Fury. He hasn't a damn clue how to fight a southpaw and hasn't dating all the way back to his amateur days.

His legs have gone hence his move to Sugar Hill now his reflexes and chin have gone and we're seeing just how terrible he is fundamentally.
Usyks style takes away all his strengths.

He has been severely flattered living off a win almost a decade back against a guy who barely threw a punch and beating the most limited HW in history who has never beaten anyone decent in their prime.

He just got outboxed by a totally static MMA fighter making their debut, coming off knee surgery, aged 37 that has never even fought southpaw before. He turns southpaw vs Fury and he outboxed him lol
Look at his lead foot and glove, he is utterly clueless how to fight a southpaw. We seen it vs Wallin who in all honesty was very unfortunate not to walk away with a TKO win but boxing politics strikes in order to keep the Wilder rematch alive.

Fury vs Usyk is only ever competitive if he can implement his size and the ref allows for his dirty tactics. ANY version of Fury.
There are levels to this.

Usyk is far too skilled for Fury.

Again, no lies.

Finally somebody else said that.

There is reason Fury hasn`t fought a real contender for 18 months. His last contender fight was Whyte.