Shakur is the most avoided in boxing at the moment

[Elheath]

Come on. 25% is straight disgrace.

I understand 65/35 or 60/40. But 75/25 is the other way to say "I am ducking Shakur and I gonna blame him."

It is most definitely a duck, but playing devil's advocate Shakur currently has ZERO reward to offer anyone and all the risk because he has no belts so I can see why people will want to duck him. However, from Shakur's standpoint, if he beats Haney once he becomes the true top dog in terms of reward (belts) and achievements then he can start demanding A-side because he got the goods and I would guess more money would likely start coming in to make up for the 10-15 percent he bit the bullet against Haney.

Besides, I'm sure Haney would want to rematch him if he loses because how much is a Haney without any belts worth? Then Shakur got all the advantage for the money.

[Mammoth]

Haney offered him 25% like a ***in joke and cried like Shakur ducked him. Shakur deserved at least 35%. And, I am generous to Haney because of his undisputed run.

25% was low but what was Stevenson's counter offer? The only thing I knew about was him going to the WBC and requesting a 50-50 split, which they surprisingly gave him. That was never going to be what a contender gets for an undisputed fight.

[BodyBagz]

Shak is gonna run the table

[Eff Pandas]

It just makes no sense financially or otherwise to fight him.
He isn't a draw, he isn't a name, he doesn't even have a title. Outside of hardcore fans he isn't known.

Why would anybody fight him though when so many fighters in or around the weight like Tank, Haney, Loma, Garcia, Teo and so on bring so much more to the table?

And I think its good because in all honesty he is largely unproven.
The same people who claim others like Boots as being eye-test, unproven, not worthy of fighting Crawford need too keep the same standards when it comes to Shakur.

Agree with most of what you are saying. This is a business not a sport so if things don't make dollars, & the most dollars possible, it don't make sense. I think Frank is in a great spot to win a vacant belt & get paid more or the Tank fight is a better paying fight & probably a better chance to win since the conflict among styles is in his favor. I mean its highly unlikely Frank is gonna outbox Shakur, but Frank could outbox Tank for a few rds if not 12rds to upset the apple cart. I don't think he would, but the odds are better vs Tank than Shakur imho.

I'd disagree that Shakur is not proven. I was more critical than most til he did Herring like he did him & I think even the biggest critics would have to change direction once he beat Oscar Valdez. And Valdez is a bad mfer & idk that he'll be a HOF guy, but he'll def be on the HOF ballot once his career is over. So he's for sure proven.

[Eff Pandas]

I think Shakur's real issue is he might not want to pay the cost to be the boss. Making necessary concessions now would pay off in the long run.

Yea I agree. The Josh fight woulda put him on the map sooner than he did get on the map & that didn't happen over money. The Devin fight for all the belts was the ideal spot to take less money, but he couldn't get that done over the money. And now the Frank doesn't happen over money too. If Shakur was Tank or Canelo now it'd be one thing, but he's still aspiring to be as big of a draw as either of those guys. Sh^t even Floyd had to take less money to get Gatti & Oscar, two of his biggest casual fan fights on the way up to being a star.

I feel like if there were serious Tank vs Shakur talks, Shakur would price himself out with how he's operating. Shakur has star talent, but his fight choices are gonna keep him on a lower level the way things are going with attracting casuals to him.

[Mammoth]

Yea I agree. The Josh fight woulda put him on the map sooner than he did get on the map & that didn't happen over money. The Devin fight for all the belts was the ideal spot to take less money, but he couldn't get that done over the money. And now the Frank doesn't happen over money too. If Shakur was Tank or Canelo now it'd be one thing, but he's still aspiring to be as big of a draw as either of those guys. Sh^t even Floyd had to take less money to get Gatti & Oscar, two of his biggest casual fan fights on the way up to being a star.

I feel like if there were serious Tank vs Shakur talks, Shakur would price himself out with how he's operating. Shakur has star talent, but his fight choices are gonna keep him on a lower level the way things are going with attracting casuals to him.

He's never really been the B side. He made more than Herring when he challenged for his title and despite getting 2nd billing, he made more than Valdez when he unified with him.. Considering he's now in his 3rd weight class, I almost wonder if he believes he doesn't have to make concessions.

[Eff Pandas]

He's never really been the B side. He made more than Herring when he challenged for his title and despite getting 2nd billing, he made more than Valdez when he unified with him.. Considering he's now in his 3rd weight class, I almost wonder if he believes he doesn't have to make concessions.

Oh I'm sure he doesn't. If the Tank fight ever gets to the discussed stage it'll be interesting to see how things get discussed money-wise.

[HisExcellency]

He's dominated every single fighter he's shared the ring with including champions like Herring + Valdez so it's perfectly understandable as it's a 'guaranteed' loss which will just reduce his opponent's earning power going forward. Tank-Stevenson will be the next Spence-Crawford and Stevenson will just outbox him like Bud.

[Silence]

He's dominated every single fighter he's shared the ring with including champions like Herring + Valdez so it's perfectly understandable as it's a 'guaranteed' loss which will just reduce his opponent's earning power going forward. Tank-Stevenson will be the next Spence-Crawford and Stevenson will just outbox him like Bud.

Never compare Shakur and Crawbum again.

Crawbum has only two decent performances which are Spence and Postol. His career is full of getting outboxed by Gamboa, Porter, Mean Machine and even shot Brook. His performance was shıt in Avanesyan as well. He gets hit too much but his counters makes up it.

Do you know Shakur's career hit and not getting hit rate? ***in 3 to 1. He is master.

Only motivated Teo and motivated Loma has a chance against him between 130-140. I'd still favour and bet on Shakur.

[HisExcellency]

Never compare Shakur and Crawbum again.

Crawbum has only two decent performances which are Spence and Postol. His career is full of getting outboxed by Gamboa, Porter, Mean Machine and even shot Brook. His performance was shıt in Avanesyan as well. He gets hit too much but his counters makes up it.

Do you know Shakur's career hit and not getting hit rate? ***in 3 to 1. He is master.

Only motivated Teo and motivated Loma has a chance against him between 130-140. I'd still favour and bet on Shakur.

Lol Crawbum are you for real? He just dismantled an undefeated top 5 p4p fighter to become undisputed champion in TWO weight classes and is currently the p4p #1 fighter in the world! He also decisively beat aka stopped 11 of his last opponents in a row. Anyway, the point I was making is that Tank is a pressure fighter like Spence whereas Stevenson is more of a slick counter puncher like Bud so would just outbox him. However, I do agree that Stevenson looks to be even more talented than Crawford which is SCARY and they obviously train together because their styles are so similar.