Comments Thread For: Naoya Inoue: I Have Room To Improve, I'll Get Stronger at 122

[bullydean]

So if bud wins. He becomes the first person to win undisputed in 2 different divisons in the 4 belt era.

But he's less accomplished? I can't take you seriously.

Where did those belts come from? Crawford basically fought Spence's scraps. It's not as big as you think.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Crawford just picked the belts Danny Garcia threw to the trash at 140.

[BoxHead88]

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Calzaghe fought at 168 his whole career. So I suppose “he didn’t show more”?
And no, beating a past his prime Roy Jones was NOT “showing more”
Malignaggi won a belt at 140 and 147 so he’s better than Spence because he “showed more”?
Clearly Heavyweights should never be spoken of as great because they NEVER “showed more” by moving to another division?

This idea that a person has to move up in weight to prove he’s “more” is yet another example of moving goalposts when one does not like another.

I don’t think Calzaghe was ever #1p4p, and Spence’s record is not what Joe’s was. Heavyweights are an exceptional division and don’t really belong in P4P arguments. Fury talked about this a few years ago in an interview which is surely still online. In saying that, The fact Usyk was undisputed at cruiser and is now unified at HW is a strong argument in his favour.
And yes, testing yourself in higher weights is part of p4p. So is the ‘eye test’’, ko ratio, titles and longevity. That’s why GGG was up there but was never the guy. Inoue is building that legacy, Bud has that in his record too. Spence can do it but hasn’t yet. And yes, it counts.

[Just looking]

As I said in another thread,



Can you explain why Spence's wins are worth so much more than anyone else's? It's never made sense to me.

Passive value for the welterweight division. Which is BS

[Hustle]

Donaire was 36, same age as Crawford is now and he's going in the HOF.

Bud hasn't lost 2 of his last 5 and been knocked out brutally before age 36 like nonito.

Donaire wssnt on the p4p list when he fought inoue. Bud and errol are

[Hustle]

This really sounds just like your average American fan who doesn't follow the lighter classes. The lighter classes are far more popular in Asia, and your average Inoue fan in the East can easily name several of Inoue's opponents, but they don't know and don't care about Errol Spence Jr. The man on the street in Japan knows Inoue. They know Donaire, and Ryoichi Taguchi, Omar Narváez, Jason Moloney, etc. The average man on the street in the US doesn't know or care about Errol Spence Jr or Bud Crawford or Tank Davis.

Nobody is forcing you to care about other fighters etc, and your P4P list is just that. Yours. But let's not pretend it has any kind of objectivity to it. I still have yet to hear any credible reasons for Spence, with his what, 5 or 6 title fights against predominantly smaller opponents in one division, to be on the P4P list at all, outside of western media favoritism. The entire concept of P4P is to think about, if size and weight weren't an issue, who would be the better fighter.

Personally, I'm not that impressed with Spence's resume. Porter is HIS best win, and that was a controversial split. The Garcia's were both coming up in weight, much as Inoue did against Fulton. The remainder are guys on the level of Thurman, who lost to an old Pacquiao, who started 8 weight divisions lower. He's fought less than half as many world champions as Inoue. In fact, his resume is not that dissimilar to Fulton's prior to Inoue, and the fight with Bud is like 3 years overdue to boot. Neither is in their prime. Fulton absolutely is in his prime now.

Can you name another active fighter who moved up in weight, took on the consensus best fighter in his divisional debut, and won every round en route to a stoppage?

We will see what happens Saturday. With the judge list, unless it ends in a stoppage, I wouldn't be surprised to see a controversial robbery decision in a close fight that will do little to settle the rivalry.

Save the north american bs. Every country knows that Maloney, butler, Rodriguez arent better than Danny, ugas, porter, Brook, Mikey or bud. So if errol beats Bud who's been top 2 p4p for years.

he's my number 1.

and if bud becomes undisputed for the 2nd time in 2 divisons. He's my number 1.

a bud win or a errol win is worth more than any inoue win.

And don't come in here with that oh he moved up and stopped the best guy at 122. You same dudes were saying Fulton is weak and overrated just 6 months ago. Now inoue smokes him and its the greatest thing in boxing.

Quality over quantity.

Bud vs errol winner has the best win.

[Hustle]

Where did those belts come from? Crawford basically fought Spence's scraps. It's not as big as you think.

But if inoue beats tapales in November and becomes undisputed in his 2nd division. It's different right?

you're a hypocrite

[Hustle]

Danny beat absolutely nobody. His best win is still mathysee. He only won a belt cause sillyman got a check from haymon. Lmao delusional

Will Danny be on the Hall of fame ballot? Yes or no? The answer is yes. Will he get in? I don't know.

Will Paul butler be on the hall of fame ballot? Yes or no? The answerr is no.
Ok then

Danny>butler, Rodriguez and Fulton


He's done more than all of them. So keep some consistency when judging opponents.

so for the last time.

Spence resume with a win is better than inoue.

Bud resume with a win is better than inoue.

Washed donaire ain't better than p4p bud or spence. That's just a fact

Bud, ugas, porter, Danny, Mikey, > Fulton, donaire, butler, Rodriguez....

That's not debatable

[Teetotaler69]

Will Danny be on the Hall of fame ballot? Yes or no? The answer is yes. Will he get in? I don't know.

Will Paul butler be on the hall of fame ballot? Yes or no? The answerr is no.
Ok then

Danny>butler, Rodriguez and Fulton


He's done more than all of them. So keep some consistency when judging opponents.

so for the last time.

Spence resume with a win is better than inoue.

Bud resume with a win is better than inoue.

Washed donaire ain't better than p4p bud or spence. That's just a fact

Bud, ugas, porter, Danny, Mikey, > Fulton, donaire, butler, Rodriguez....

That's not debatable

Ugas and Danny suck. Porter is good but he has no big win. Your delusional

[BoZz]

I honestly never heard of Fulton before this fight, those lower weight divisions are so weak and filled with weak boxers that any idiot who knows how to use the skipping rope could become a so called "monster"