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Lomachenko is an extremely dangerous fight for Haney. Here's why.

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    Lomachenko is an extremely dangerous fight for Haney. Here's why.

    The broad consensus is that Haney is a big favorite over Lomachenko. And on paper, it makes sense. Young undisputed champion against an older fighter in his third weight class. The view seems to be that Haney will jab Lomachenko, control the distance, and frustrate him. But I think we need to take a closer look at things.

    Lomachenko:
    In his last fight, he fought Jamaine Ortiz. Ortiz had his moments, particularly early and in the 7th, but Lomachenko won a clear decision roughly 8-4 or 9-3. Here's the thing about Ortiz though. He fights at a very fast pace and moves all over the ring. Haney doesn't throw the combinations that Ortiz used to keep Lomachenko's hands at home and doesn't move as much. And Lomachenko won't be coming out of a literal warzone. We also can't forget that Ortiz was in training camp with Lomachenko for the Commey fight. Ortiz had already seen Lomachenko in the ring over countless rounds of sparring. So Ortiz had a familiarity that Haney won't.

    Haney:
    I know Haney has developed a reputation as this master defensive boxer and counterpuncher. But just three fights ago, he fought JoJo Diaz. With all due respect to Diaz, he's slow, weak punching, and hasn't a tenth Lomachenko's technical skills. Yet Diaz landed clean left hands on Haney's chin throughout the fight, as well as hard hooks to the body. Whenever Diaz got close, Haney either held or got hammered. Haney is extremely hittable in mid and close range.

    Here are the timestamps in the video for what I am talking about.
    Observe how easily Diaz counters Haney's jab with a left hand. 277s, 7m43s
    And here we see Haney backing straight away and letting Diaz catch him with a left hook. 5m28s
    This is not good defense. 8m43s
    And finally, look at how easily Diaz hits Haney in close. 10m35s​

    Haney is massive, yes, but it's possible that the weight cut is hurting his chin and stamina. He never recovered after Linares hurt him in the 10th and while I don't know if he was hurt, he definitely looked bothered by Diaz, who couldn't punch at 126. And he was very tired towards the end of that fight, despite Diaz going long stretches without doing much of anything. And we know that Haney is not a puncher. He couldn't hurt the shell of Gamboa.

    I suppose the question I have is: How is the fighter who was repeatedly caught by JoJo Diaz, who couldn't keep Diaz off, supposed to avoid Lomachenko's pressure? Maybe Haney has improved since the Diaz fights but the Kambosos fights don't tell us much because Kambosos fights nothing like Lomachenko. Maybe Haney actually attacks Lomachenko, but that carries its own risks. Recklessly attack him with the jab and he's liable to slip and counter with a left. Youth would matter more if Haney fought with the pace of a younger fighter. But he doesn't. Don't get me wrong: Haney can win this fight. But I don't see how the Haney who fought Diaz can be justifiably favored over Lomachenko.
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    #2
    Not taking anything away from Haney.
    Not a fan of either guy per se.

    If Loma loses this fight in any fashion, his curtain might be closing.

    Vegas has Haney as being the big favorite so Loma winning will be considered an upset

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      #3
      Originally posted by BodyBagz View Post
      Not taking anything away from Haney.
      Not a fan of either guy per se.

      If Loma loses this fight in any fashion, his curtain might be closing.

      Vegas has Haney as being the big favorite so Loma winning will be considered an upset
      I find that quite strange, honestly. Haney's a low output, jab and grab boxer with poor defense and no power. Credit to him for outboxing Kambosos. But he's shown huge weaknesses.

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        #4
        Originally posted by ColdBlooded View Post

        I find that quite strange, honestly. Haney's a low output, jab and grab boxer with poor defense and no power. Credit to him for outboxing Kambosos. But he's shown huge weaknesses.
        Age and size are in Haney's advantage.
        Sometimes a guy just gets old.

        Not saying Loma loses
        I hope he doesn't wait like he did vs Teo.
        That strategy ******.

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          #5
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          Doesn't look right but look what happened to Fundora

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            #6
            Size difference could be a significant factor. But it hasn't meant anything positive for Haney's power or punch resistance.

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              #7
              Originally posted by ColdBlooded View Post

              Size difference could be a significant factor. But it hasn't meant anything positive for Haney's power or punch resistance.
              Obviously Loma has to get on that ass.
              He faced much better opposition and he has experience on his side.
              Haney likes to throw as if he had power (50% is....eh)
              Loma isn't a ****er either

              Loma will need to try harder to land his shots, and will have to take some to do it.
              I'm sure Loma can take them...but he needs to get that pound of flesh back.

              Speed, youth, size.....I dunno

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                #8
                Originally posted by BodyBagz View Post

                Obviously Loma has to get on that ass.
                He faced much better opposition and he has experience on his side.
                Haney likes to throw as if he had power (50% is....eh)
                Loma isn't a ****er either

                Loma will need to try harder to land his shots, and will have to take some to do it.
                I'm sure Loma can take them...but he needs to get that pound of flesh back.

                Speed, youth, size.....I dunno
                Haney's not much of a counterpuncher, so I don't know that Lomachenko will have to absorb much to come in. Lomachenko isn't a ****er, but he's not a light puncher either. What's really concerning if you're rooting for Haney is how easily Diaz got past the jab and hit him. I feel like I am missing something here. Haney's style doesn't really use his youth or size (more length) much. He fights like an older fighter. His best opponent in his career is faded Linares, limited Kambosos? Why is he so highly regarded?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by ColdBlooded View Post

                  Haney's not much of a counterpuncher, so I don't know that Lomachenko will have to absorb much to come in. Lomachenko isn't a ****er, but he's not a light puncher either. What's really concerning if you're rooting for Haney is how easily Diaz got past the jab and hit him. I feel like I am missing something here. Haney's style doesn't really use his youth or size (more length) much. He fights like an older fighter. His best opponent in his career is faded Linares, limited Kambosos? Why is he so highly regarded?
                  I get what you're saying.
                  The disparity of quality opposition is enormous.

                  Age, though, can make or break a fight in either direction (old or young. Maybe the youngster gets taken to school or he shows the old man the door)
                  Let's not forget, Ortiz was not dominated. A guy with even less experience than Haney.


                  Not rooting for anyone, rooting for a good fight with a clear winner.

                  How do you see it playing out ?

                  I see Haney's hand raised UD W

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by BodyBagz View Post

                    I get what you're saying.
                    The disparity of quality opposition is enormous.

                    Age, though, can make or break a fight in either direction (old or young. Maybe the youngster gets taken to school or he shows the old man the door)
                    Let's not forget, Ortiz was not dominated. A guy with even less experience than Haney.


                    Not rooting for anyone, rooting for a good fight with a clear winner.

                    How do you see it playing out ?

                    I see Haney's hand raised UD W
                    Ortiz troubled Lomachenko with volume, something Haney is notorious for not having. And remember, Ortiz had already been in the ring with Lomachenko for probably numerous rounds. And think about this: How would the Ortiz you saw against Herring and Lomachenko fare with Diaz and Kambosos?

                    Honestly? When I do a technical analysis, watching their fights and what they do, I see Lomachenko battering Haney. Countering that jab, beating away at the body, befuddling Haney with feints. Haney struggled way too much with Diaz and even in the Kambosos fights, was still getting hit in close and leaving himself open. I also rewatched a bit of the Lopez fight and for all the talk of Lopez taking away Lomachenko's angles and countering him... Lomachenko did a number on Lopez in the second half of that fight other than round 12.
                    What it comes down to for me: How does Haney keep Lomachenko off? How does he avoid the left hand that Diaz kept hitting him with? Haney is so hittable it's shocking. Does he think all he has to do is jab, pivot, and hold?

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