Comments Thread For: Lomachenko: Haney Is Strong, Smart & Will Be Hard Fight - But He's Not Comparable To Mayweather

[Oregonian]

I didn't rave about Manny beating Oscar, and Oscar fought Manny a year after fighting Floyd, so they fought the same faded version I don't see why that is so difficult to see.

Oscar being weight drained is an excuse.

Floyd and Manny both benefitted from beating a faded Oscar who was still a major draw in boxing. Beating him took both to the next level from a promotional and marketing standpoint, but legacywise beating a faded Oscar is just a good win for both.

Why Floyd boys get so bent out of shape that Manny beat him much more convincingly is a personal problem that I am not really going to feed into. They want to argue that Oscar was weight drained but Oscar called the shots in both fights and lost so it is what it is.

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If Oscar called the shots in the Manny fight, how did he end up on the wrong side of 147 Ibs?
More important, Oscar had all the advantages against Floyd - smaller ring, smaller gloves, choice of ref, choice of judges, weight (154), and even got the larger purse so to say those details were the same as what he had with Manny means you are not only toxic towards Floyd, you are willing to lie to make up your self believe stories.

You’ll have a much better life if you can get past your hate towards an individual who does not even know you.

[Oregonian]

You are making up excuses. Either these guys were in their prime when Floyd fought them or they were not. It's that simple.

You are here making up excuses for Manny Cotto Shane and Oscar because they represent the best guys on Floyd’s resume bar none. Without them Floyds resume is severely thin, but no way a 38 year old Shane Mosley, who suffered multiple losses, been in nothing but grueling fights, is in his prime. Same for Oscar Manny and Cotto. Try to find anybody who would cosign on Floyd fighting Mosley at 38 years old an all time great win. It's a decent win at best. Oh you must be confusing great promotion and marketing with legacy.

The question again is, how many of these so called slew of hall of famers and supposedly all time greats, were in their prime when Floyd fought them.

Hatton
Corrales
Canelo

Were all undefeated beltholders when Floyd fought them and would be considered hall of famers. (No as of right now Canelo is not an all time great fighter)

prime all time greats - 0

If you want to say Floyd beat a slew of shopworn hall of famers and beltholders I have no problem with that, some former mma guys and Youtubers, I have no problem with that, but as far as beating the best guys in their prime he only has maybe 3 guys who fit the bill, and those guys barely Crack top 100 on any type of list. That's not a slew of guys like you claim by a longshot

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Once again, it is pretty clear your toxic hate of Floyd clouds your judgment. You are so hateful that you choose to ignore that Floyd’s been retired over 5 years bd the MMA or YouTubers are exhibition fights. They do not count towards his boxing record nor are winners or losers declared after the fight. Floyd could build a hospital for children and you’d say the hospital is either shop worn or not in a good neighborhood.
4 years after getting beat by Floyd, the past his prime and shop worn Manny went on to beat the undefeated Thurman and become the oldest WW champion in history. I mean how is that even possible? Manny was “so past his prime” there was no way he could have beaten Thurman, amiright?

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Once again, it is pretty clear your toxic hate of Floyd clouds your judgment. You are so hateful that you choose to ignore that Floyd’s been retired over 5 years bd the MMA or YouTubers are exhibition fights. They do not count towards his boxing record nor are winners or losers declared after the fight. Floyd could build a hospital for children and you’d say the hospital is either shop worn or not in a good neighborhood.

In other words, you are dropping the "Floyd beat a slew of hof'ers and atg's because you know its totally an overstatement you can't refute, or just come to grips with, who Floyd actually beat in their prime:

Hatton
Canelo
Corrales

Thats it. Doesn't look too impressive when you strip away the fighters who weren't even in their prime or never really panned out to be no more than gatekeepers.

You started out with a list that included Castillo and Zab and Hernandez but even you know those guys wouldn't make a real boxing aficionado blink an eye.

Floyd did have an 0-0 cage fighter count on his record or do you have selective amnesia. They made TBE 50-0 merchandise just to commemorate it..

You Floyd boys are so predictable. As soon your overstatements are met with some questions that dig below the surface, or are just totally false, you either try to label people haters or make it about Manny.

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If Oscar called the shots in the Manny fight, how did he end up on the wrong side of 147 Ibs?
More important, Oscar had all the advantages against Floyd - smaller ring, smaller gloves, choice of ref, choice of judges, weight (154), and even got the larger purse so to say those details were the same as what he had with Manny means you are not only toxic towards Floyd, you are willing to lie to make up your self believe stories.

You’ll have a much better life if you can get past your hate towards an individual who does not even know you.

Hello this was a catchweight fight Manny's first ww fight he was coming up what 2 weight classes and Oscar was coming down from jmw. Quit with the excuses catchweight fights are done all the f'ing time.

Oscar held multiple advantages over Manny height reach. He had googobs of experience over Manny at welterweight plus he called the shots. He clearly gave up the weight because obviously to him it didn't matter.

When he got the brakes beat off him by Manny he didn't make any excuses but you know who did. Floyd boys.

Floyd told Brian Kenny that Oscar was a dead man walking and you Floyd boy parakeets have been regurgitating it ever since.

Where's Roadblock on this one his 5 page thesis on Oscar being drained is one for the history books.

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4 years after getting beat by Floyd, the past his prime and shop worn Manny went on to beat the undefeated Thurman and become the oldest WW champion in history. I mean how is that even possible? Manny was “so past his prime” there was no way he could have beaten Thurman, amiright?

Ok so every Floyd boy excuse was, Thurman was shot, shopworn, I heard just about every excuse when Manny beat him now you want to put upfront that Thurman was undefeated. I guess you want to say now Thurman and Manny were two prime guys going at it?

Please which one is it

[Oregonian]

In other words, you are dropping the "Floyd beat a slew of hof'ers and atg's because you know its totally an overstatement you can't refute, or just come to grips with, who Floyd actually beat in their prime:

Hatton
Canelo
Corrales

Thats it. Doesn't look too impressive when you strip away the fighters who weren't even in their prime or never really panned out to be no more than gatekeepers.

You started out with a list that included Castillo and Zab and Hernandez but even you know those guys wouldn't make a real boxing aficionado blink an eye.

Floyd did have an 0-0 cage fighter count on his record or do you have selective amnesia. They made TBE 50-0 merchandise just to commemorate it..

You Floyd boys are so predictable. As soon your overstatements are met with some questions that dig below the surface, or are just totally false, you either try to label people haters or make it about Manny.

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See, unlike you, I can criticize Floyd. For you, Manny can poop on a table and you’d say it smells good and call it chocolate cake.
Floyd’s win over Connor should not count on his record. I can acknowledge that.
Can you do the same when it comes to Manny’s wins over bums or catchweight advantages?

Floyd fought the guys he fought because they were the guys available. Prior to Oscar, Floyd was not a global superstar so he had zero choice. It’s not Floyd’s fault that he fought in a weak era.

[Oregonian]

Ok so every Floyd boy excuse was, Thurman was shot, shopworn, I heard just about every excuse when Manny beat him now you want to put upfront that Thurman was undefeated. I guess you want to say now Thurman and Manny were two prime guys going at it?

Please which one is it

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Your argument makes zero sense. I never said Thurman was shopworn or shot. You did.
If Manny was past his prime, how was he able to beat Thurman??

[Oregonian]

Hello this was a catchweight fight Manny's first ww fight he was coming up what 2 weight classes and Oscar was coming down from jmw. Quit with the excuses catchweight fights are done all the f'ing time.

Oscar held multiple advantages over Manny height reach. He had googobs of experience over Manny at welterweight plus he called the shots. He clearly gave up the weight because obviously to him it didn't matter.

When he got the brakes beat off him by Manny he didn't make any excuses but you know who did. Floyd boys.

Floyd told Brian Kenny that Oscar was a dead man walking and you Floyd boy parakeets have been regurgitating it ever since.

Where's Roadblock on this one his 5 page thesis on Oscar being drained is one for the history books.

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When Floyd left 140Ibs and fought Zab and Baldomir, it was his first fights at WW and he did not demand some dubious catchweights like Manny. But even if we accept your convoluted logic, Manny did the same thing with Margarito who had just been destroyed by Mosley.
Guess what else Manny did? He fought Mosley right after Mosley had lost to Floyd. Can you imagine if it was Floyd who did that? You hypocrites would shït yourselves in a frenzy delight.

When Floyd started exhibitions, you guys were jïzzing all over yourselves criticizing him. Now that Manny fought a YouTuber, your response is “exhibitions have been done many times” or “Manny deserves it” or some other scrotum licking excuse. Double standards galore.

Lastly and hopefully this will be the end of this debate, I respect Manny but we aren’t going to forget the farce fights against guys that were literally coming off losses. Let’s count them, shall we?

1- Clottey had just lost to Cotto
2- Margarito had been KO’d by Mosley and a dubious catchweight
3- Mosley had lost to Floyd
4- Brandon Rios had lost to Alvarado
5- Broner was coming off two losses and a draw
6-Mathysse was rebuilding after getting beat by Danny Garcia
7- Vargas was irrelevant at 147
8- Cotto was a catchweight at 145 (where’s the challenge in that when you weaken a man?)
9- Oscar at 147, need I say more?
10-Algieri was a virtual unknown kickboxer and a 144 Ibs catchweight.
11- Manny wanted to fight McGregor after criticizing Floyd for it.
12. Manny retires after criticizing Floyd for fighting YouTubers and then goes to fight a Korean YouTuber.

We recognize Manny’s greatness but we can’t ignore useless fights that you guys put on a pedestal and claim that they make him an ATG.

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When Floyd left 140Ibs and fought Zab and Baldomir, it was his first fights at WW and he did not demand some dubious catchweights like Manny. But even if we accept your convoluted logic, Manny did the same thing with Margarito who had just been destroyed by Mosley.
Guess what else Manny did? He fought Mosley right after Mosley had lost to Floyd. Can you imagine if it was Floyd who did that? You hypocrites would shït yourselves in a frenzy delight.

When Floyd started exhibitions, you guys were jïzzing all over yourselves criticizing him. Now that Manny fought a YouTuber, your response is “exhibitions have been done many times” or “Manny deserves it” or some other scrotum licking excuse. Double standards galore.

Lastly and hopefully this will be the end of this debate, I respect Manny but we aren’t going to forget the farce fights against guys that were literally coming off losses. Let’s count them, shall we?

1- Clottey had just lost to Cotto
2- Margarito had been KO’d by Mosley and a dubious catchweight
3- Mosley had lost to Floyd
4- Brandon Rios had lost to Alvarado
5- Broner was coming off two losses and a draw
6-Mathysse was rebuilding after getting beat by Danny Garcia
7- Vargas was irrelevant at 147
8- Cotto was a catchweight at 145 (where’s the challenge in that when you weaken a man?)
9- Oscar at 147, need I say more?
10-Algieri was a virtual unknown kickboxer and a 144 Ibs catchweight.
11- Manny wanted to fight McGregor after criticizing Floyd for it.
12. Manny retires after criticizing Floyd for fighting YouTubers and then goes to fight a Korean YouTuber.

We recognize Manny’s greatness but we can’t ignore useless fights that you guys put on a pedestal and claim that they make him an ATG.

"Floyd beat over a dozen HoF guys plus a slew of ATG."

Only:

Hatton
Corrales
Canelo

We're in their prime, and none are all time great fighters.

[Oregonian]

"Floyd beat over a dozen HoF guys plus a slew of ATG."

Only:

Hatton
Corrales
Canelo

We're in their prime, and none are all time great fighters.

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Predictably and typical response. You don’t have an answer to ALL the facts I just listed so you run back to a statement I made and make it about that. Lol
Like all the other toxic haters,,you regurgitate things I never said. I never said Hatton or Corrales are ATG.