Comments Thread For: Lomachenko: Haney Is Strong, Smart & Will Be Hard Fight - But He's Not Comparable To Mayweather

[Oregonian]

What I am trying to do is get a question answered straight, without you trying to spin the narrative as you Floyd boys always do

Please name the prime hall of famers and all time greats Floyd beat.

"Floyd beat over a dozen HoF guys plus a slew of ATG."

Why is it so hard for your to back up what you said.

Maybe its because you have to dig under the surface?

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I don’t have to dig up anything. I consider myself a boxing historian and unlike you, I don’t need to use google to spew facts.

Like I said, I’m pretty certain what your response will be once I name them AND like Fox News, I’m also certain that your weak and irrelevant arguments will be without any context or facts but based on pure toxic unadulterated hate.
Don’t believe me? Well, let’s give it a shot and see how this spirals, shall we?

Oscar - ATG
Mosley - HoF and arguably ATG
Pacqiao - ATG
Canelo - ATG
Cotto - HoF
JMM - ATG
Zab - HoF
Corrales - HoF
Gatti - HoF
Castillo - HoF
Hatton - HoF
Gennaro Hernandez - arguably HoF

Now go ahead and do what I expect of you. Tell me how they were past their primes etc. we’ll certainly check you with facts and context

[djtmal]

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I don’t have to dig up anything. I consider myself a boxing historian and unlike you, I don’t need to use google to spew facts.

Like I said, I’m pretty certain what your response will be once I name them AND like Fox News, I’m also certain that your weak and irrelevant arguments will be without any context or facts but based on pure toxic unadulterated hate.
Don’t believe me? Well, let’s give it a shot and see how this spirals, shall we?

Oscar - ATG
Mosley - HoF and arguably ATG
Pacqiao - ATG
Canelo - ATG
Cotto - HoF
JMM - ATG
Zab - HoF
Corrales - HoF
Gatti - HoF
Castillo - HoF
Hatton - HoF
Gennaro Hernandez - arguably HoF

Now go ahead and do what I expect of you. Tell me how they were past their primes etc. we’ll certainly check you with facts and context

How many of those guys were in their prime

I am asking YOU to name how many of these guys were in their prime. Realistically.

No excuses and please don't try to answer my question with questions please

[elfag]

Haney doesnt have to be comparable to mayweather to beat an undersized geriatric 35 year old Loma.

[Oregonian]

How many of those guys were in their prime

I am asking YOU to name how many of these guys were in their prime. Realistically.

No excuses and please don't try to answer my question with questions please

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They were all in their prime. Oscar and Floyd are almost the same age. If Mosley wasn’t in his prime, how the the hell did he destroy Margarito the “boogeyman” at 147?
Cotto and PAC are younger than Floyd.

Unless YOU have a different definition of what “prime” is then stop with the toxic hate. To give you context, When PAC beat Oscar, nobody said Oscar was his past prime. It was lauded as a great achievement by probably you too.

[djtmal]

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They were all in their prime.

No they absolutely were not.

The guys Floyd beat in their prime was

Hatton
Corrales
And I will spot you Canelo

Hatton/Corrales are Hof worthy at best, but none of those guys remotely qualifies as an all time great Floyd beat in their prime, and no Alvarez currently is not a top tier all time great fighter.

Oscar, Mosley, Cotto, Manny, the best fighters on Floyds resume imo, were all shopworn fighters who suffered multiple losses and ko's by the time Floyd fought them. Anybody trying to pass them off as a prime fighter Floyd beat is overexxagerating.

The real fighters Floyd beat in their prime are the ones you didn't mention like Guerrero, Ortiz and Marcos Madonna 2x because they were c fighters that Floyd exploited for a check.

"Floyd beat over a dozen HoF guys plus a slew of ATG."

False

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When PAC beat Oscar, nobody said Oscar was his past prime. It was lauded as a great achievement by probably you too.

Manny beat the same shopworn version of Oscar that Floyd did but Floyd pitty patted to a split decision that his pops thought he lost, to Manny beating the brakes off him and sending him into retirement.

[Oregonian]

Manny beat the same shopworn version of Oscar that Floyd did but Floyd pitty patted to a split decision that his pops thought he lost, to Manny beating the brakes off him and sending him into retirement.

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This is the easiest to start with. You rave about how PAC beat an Oscar that was two years removed from getting beat by Floyd. An Oscar that was weight drained to 147 which is a weight he hadn’t fought in in almost a decade.
Because it’s your guy Manny that did it, you rave about it and speak of it as a great accomplishment sending Oscar “into retirement”.

You wanna what that makes you? An absolute true to the core hypocrite.

[Oregonian]

No they absolutely were not.

The guys Floyd beat in their prime was

Hatton
Corrales
And I will spot you Canelo

Hatton/Corrales are Hof worthy at best, but none of those guys remotely qualifies as an all time great Floyd beat in their prime, and no Alvarez currently is not a top tier all time great fighter.

Oscar, Mosley, Cotto, Manny, the best fighters on Floyds resume imo, were all shopworn fighters who suffered multiple losses and ko's by the time Floyd fought them. Anybody trying to pass them off as a prime fighter Floyd beat is overexxagerating.

The real fighters Floyd beat in their prime are the ones you didn't mention like Guerrero, Ortiz and Marcos Madonna 2x because they were c fighters that Floyd exploited for a check.

"Floyd beat over a dozen HoF guys plus a slew of ATG."

False

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Floyd beat an undefeated Hatton BUT it was a great win when Manny beat shop worn Hatton.
I never said Corrales or Hatton were ATG. You’re defending something that’s nonexistent.

When should Floyd have fought Oscar and Mosley? In 2002 when they were fighting each other? Floyd was a 130 Ibs fighter then and a nobody in boxing BUT you wanted him to move up three weight classes to fight them?

Mosley destroys Margarito and then Floyd beats him.
Meanwhile, Manny beats Margarito at a dubious catchweight AND you swear Manny is the 2nd coming of Christ because he beat an aged, shopworn guy that had just been KO’d by Mosley. I smell a dose of hypocrisy.

Floyd beat up JMM in 2009 and then JMM destroys Manny three years later but according to you, JMM was either shopworn or cheated on the scale. Another dose of hypocrisy.

Cotto was cheated by Manny with the dubious 145 Ibs catchweight and by Margarito’s cheating gloves and you believe it was a great win for Manny.
Floyd goes up in weight to fight Cotto who had gone on to win a title at 154 and suddenly Cotto is passed his prime or shopworn. A massive dose of double standards right there.

Canelo will go down in history as an ATG and Floyd was an old 36 years old when he beat him but yeah Canelo was not in his prime.

Your whole argument reeks of toxic hatred and hypocrisy.

[djtmal]

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Floyd beat an undefeated Hatton BUT it was a great win when Manny beat shop worn Hatton.
I never said Corrales or Hatton were ATG. You’re defending something that’s nonexistent.

When should Floyd have fought Oscar and Mosley? In 2002 when they were fighting each other? Floyd was a 130 Ibs fighter then and a nobody in boxing BUT you wanted him to move up three weight classes to fight them?

Mosley destroys Margarito and then Floyd beats him.
Meanwhile, Manny beats Margarito at a dubious catchweight AND you swear Manny is the 2nd coming of Christ because he beat an aged, shopworn guy that had just been KO’d by Mosley. I smell a dose of hypocrisy.

Floyd beat up JMM in 2009 and then JMM destroys Manny three years later but according to you, JMM was either shopworn or cheated on the scale. Another dose of hypocrisy.

Cotto was cheated by Manny with the dubious 145 Ibs catchweight and by Margarito’s cheating gloves and you believe it was a great win for Manny.
Floyd goes up in weight to fight Cotto who had gone on to win a title at 154 and suddenly Cotto is passed his prime or shopworn. A massive dose of double standards right there.

Canelo will go down in history as an ATG and Floyd was an old 36 years old when he beat him but yeah Canelo was not in his prime.

Your whole argument reeks of toxic hatred and hypocrisy.

You are making up excuses.

Either these guys were in their prime when Floyd fought them or they were not. It's that simple.

You are here making up excuses for Manny Cotto Shane and Oscar because they represent the best guys on Floyd’s resume bar none. Without them Floyds resume is severely thin, but no way a 38 year old Shane Mosley, who suffered multiple losses, been in nothing but grueling fights, is in his prime. Same for Oscar Manny and Cotto. Try to find anybody who would cosign on Floyd fighting Mosley at 38 years old an all time great win. It's a decent win at best. Oh you must be confusing great promotion and marketing with legacy.

The question again is, how many of these so called slew of hall of famers and supposedly all time greats, were in their prime when Floyd fought them.

Hatton
Corrales
Canelo

Were all undefeated beltholders when Floyd fought them and would be considered hall of famers. (No as of right now Canelo is not an all time great fighter)

prime all time greats - 0


If you want to say Floyd beat a slew of shopworn hall of famers and beltholders I have no problem with that, some former mma guys and Youtubers, I have no problem with that, but as far as beating the best guys in their prime he only has maybe 3 guys who fit the bill, and those guys barely Crack top 100 on any type of list. That's not a slew of guys like you claim by a longshot

[djtmal]

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This is the easiest to start with. You rave about how PAC beat an Oscar that was two years removed from getting beat by Floyd. An Oscar that was weight drained to 147 which is a weight he hadn’t fought in in almost a decade.
Because it’s your guy Manny that did it, you rave about it and speak of it as a great accomplishment sending Oscar “into retirement”.

You wanna what that makes you? An absolute true to the core hypocrite.

I didn't rave about Manny beating Oscar, and Oscar fought Manny a year after fighting Floyd, so they fought the same faded version I don't see why that is so difficult to see.

Oscar being weight drained is an excuse.

Floyd and Manny both benefitted from beating a faded Oscar who was still a major draw in boxing. Beating him took both to the next level from a promotional and marketing standpoint, but legacywise beating a faded Oscar is just a good win for both.

Why Floyd boys get so bent out of shape that Manny beat him much more convincingly is a personal problem that I am not really going to feed into. They want to argue that Oscar was weight drained but Oscar called the shots in both fights and lost so it is what it is.