Would David Haye 200-210 lb be too small for this era ?
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Would David Haye been a Heavyweight champion in this era ?
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No. Fury mauls him and Usyk schools him. Even the lower level champions like Wilder and Joshua both stop him IMO.
Haye’s career is crazily overrated. He has very few impressive wins. His one quality win was when he got up off the floor to beat Mormeck in France and he just dined out on that the rest of his career.
I think it was Maccarinelli next, then Monte Barrett, then Valuev, then a completely shot Ruiz, then Audley, a run ultimately culminating in him running away from Wlad for 12 rounds and blaming it on his toe.
Haye was a great salesman, made great money based on his accomplishments.
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David Haye at his peak beats both Joshua & Usyk.
Haye hits with more power than Usyk, has greater athleticism, faster single punch speed, a better defense at his peak 'Haye was very rarely beaten up during his career, very difficult fighter to consistently land punchers on'.
You keep going on about the dimensions of this era's fighters, 95% of them are out of condition.
David Haye was a fighter who operated in peak condition.
You can count on one hand, the amount of top Heavyweights these days who are solid at the weight.
I would back a solid, athletic, powerful 210-220 Heavyweight, vs a miles out of condition manufactured super Heavyweight.
There are many Heavyweights active today, who people claim are super heavyweights 'When in reality, they are Heavyweights out of condition'.
Dillian Whyte, Chisora, Ruiz, even Tyson Fury 'The man is not in peak condition'.
Tyson Fury went from being 246-248 pounds vs Kiltschko, to now being consistently 270 + pounds.
Show me any other Heavyweight era, were a top Heavyweight will suddenly gain 20 pounds in weight? The Heavyweights can get away with it these days.
Whenever that sort of differential happened, that fighter by their own standard was out of condition. The only Heavyweights from the 90's and past era's who displayed similar differentials 'Were Heavyweights who were not renowned for their work ethic or conditioning i.e Rid**** Bowe 'Or fighters at during the latter parts of their careers. Mike Tyson was for 90% of his career within a 10-12 pounds performance range 'And he was solid at these weights'. Mike Tyson was at his heaviest vs Neilson 'Mike Tyson came in at a weight of 239 pounds' That is Mike Tyson by his own standards out of condition.
But in today's era of Heavyweights, you would get some people claiming Mike Tyson was a Super Heavyweight 'That is the difference between era's and standards'.
Many of these Heavyweights in today's era, who people pine over and claim are these monster Super Heavyweights 'Are out of condition'.
A peak David Haye has the power, speed, processing speed and genuine skill to put the fright in most active Heavyweights today.
Haye at 210 pounds fought a peak Derek Chisora head on 'And canceled out his momentum, was the first fighter to knock Chisora out'. That performance right there, highlights the brute strength and power to weight ratio Haye embodied as a fighter.
Tyson Fury is 270 pound fighter, he has just fought Chisora 'Who was a complete mess in their third fight, I don't think he was in Top condition'. Tyson Fury even at 270 pounds, did not want to fight Chisora head on 'I personally don't think Fury's last two performances were impressive, stylistically or athletically'.
Fury has bulled no other super heavyweight about, the only fighters he wants to fight head on are 'Fighters he out weighs by masses of weight'.
So to conclude, I would rate David Haye as a definitive danger to these Heavyweights.
Note: I am not criticizing certain fighters for having a certain body type. But there is a point were, you can clearly identify that fighters are not in condition 'I personally do not rate the overall conditioning of today's Heavyweight fighters'.
Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 02-07-2023, 10:20 AM.
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Originally posted by Silence View PostEven Usyk became champion with his limited ability and bruised face after every fight. Haye was athletic specimen. Beat Vaulev, Ruiz and Chisora. Was boxing Thompson's ears off until got caught unluckily. Gave good fight to Wlad.
The answer is yes.
Haye boxed Thompson ears off for what? 1 round?
Rounds 2 and 3 were competitive rounds he then lost round 4 and was stopped in round 5 so what fight did you watch?
Gave Wlad a good fight? He won 3 rounds…
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Being a champion if certain circumstances presented themselves, yes, but that would be the case for someone like Haye in any era. Being THE champion, as in the man widely regarded as the best in the division. Absolutely not. Nash out
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