Who had the more impressive win over Canelo? Mayweather or Bivol?

[Roadblock]

The man clearly took every advantage he could get in his Money May days, including in his fight vs Canelo. To ignore that is dumb. To defend it while acting like it didn't happen is idiotic.

Every advantage in the money field that didn't advantage inside the boxing ring, that's the line you boys dance around, the negative hype vs the actual boxing, as I said Floyd was never better he cheated or got lucky that's your narrative that is empty when scrutinized, only women and fans argue to the death things they know very little about.

If you dislike/hate Mayweather you saddle up the hype mule to win fan battles outside the ring, inside the ring you have Floyd performing for real and the idiots cannot beat him there, so they resort to fan tabloids and fantasy, it blows my mind how people think.

[Amir Imam]

Huh? What are you talking you little weirdo.

Yes I said "The man clearly took every advantage he could get in his Money May days, including in his fight vs Canelo"

That is just a fact. If that upsets you little weirdo fanboys, so be it. Cry about it. Idgaf.

I compared them as far as yes, Canelo became the superstar after Floyd, and learned from him as far as maximizing reward and limiting risk, and carefully choosing your opponent, especially when you fought that opponent and under what conditions. Callum Smith for example became a cherry pick after he was just beaten (but not officially) badly by Ryder the fight before he faced Canelo.

Floyd's whole Money May run was basically about limiting his risk while maximizing his revenue. Good for him but for a BOXING FAN to ignore that is idiotic.

You seem like a fanboy though so do you.

Everytime you nerds get your feelings hurt you start calling people fan boys. You’re the one getting emotional Also one could argue that Money May last 8 wins with the exception of McGregor are better than Canelo last 8 wins

[just the facts]

Your correct I do criticise floyd more than pac. But pac critics criticise pac at every opportunity do you call them up on it? Do you police them?.Doubt it so your being two faced.
floyd does have a win over pac, but floyd fans still don't seem happy and able to cope themselves. Not sure what that says? I mean you.just mentioned pac in a floyd thread? I never mentioned pac as it's a floyd thread

Floyd EASILY beat your hero and your undying man love will never change that. There’s not one CREDIBLE boxing historian, expert or publication that rates Manny Pacquaio top 3 all time. Most don’t even have him top ten.

[MikeyMike100]

Floyd Mayweather. He was moving up in weight and the fight wasn't nearly as close.

[Babadoux]

It means he can make it easy because HE SAID IT. you’re either trolling or being intellectually dishonest. Should I believe him or should I believe Babadoux from boxingscene? Can you not read? Of course Prefight quotes don’t matter now because they don’t fit your narrative and of course you don’t have a problem with catchweights because the person you’re defending holds the record for them. I’m sure if Floyd had 5 fights in a row at catchweight you’d care. Floyd fought 2 catchweights his entire career.

Oscar
I read somewhere, where Canelo mentioned, or someone mentioned that [Canelo] won round one - well he won round one. It's funny because the weight of 152 - it's not going to help Mayweather. On the contrary, its going to benefit Canelo," De La Hoya told krikya360.com.

Canelo
Making 152 pounds was "easy. I reached weight yesterday, and reached it today," Alvarez said in Spanish to an interpreter.

Reynoso
Eddy Reynoso, would echo his sentiments. "Ellerbe is so smart. He had the supposed best pound-for-pound fighter go up 5 pounds. That mother****er. What are they talking for? We requested 152, and I think in the end we did well."


All Evidence shows them bragging about the 152 as if it was dangerous for Floyd to even entertain the idea. The Floyd fight was obviously a cherry pick gone wrong by Team Canelo. I’m stating facts based off evidence from his circle you’re giving emotional opinions. It’s not about me liking it or not and you can put 10 asterisks by it, that asterisk means nothing if you have no credentials and it won’t change the outcome. I respect your opinion though. I’m just stating facts.

You're delusional brother. Now you're just repeating your previous arguments (Canelo said he made weight fine, Reynoso said the weight was not an issue... would they say the same today?) That I already responded to. The weight was too low for Canelo in my opinion, so there's an asterisk on that loss.

[Amir Imam]

You're delusional brother. Now you're just repeating your previous arguments (Canelo said he made weight fine, Reynoso said the weight was not an issue... would they say the same today?) That I already responded to. The weight was too low for Canelo in my opinion, so there's an asterisk on that loss.

You got be relevant to issue asterisks brother. 50-0

[Babadoux]

Go and look at the pics of the two fights, there are loads of them, don't pick a few that suit you take a wide broad look at the body of Canelo through all different angles across many different pictures, do the same for the Bivol fight and then come back and tell where his biggest handicap was in the two fights, all you guys do is throw numbers around that you perceive to mean something they don't, you talk drained yet have no idea of what that really is and the fight performance didn't show it, its only the numbers and the numbers can kill one guy and do nothing to another, so that opens the door for BS opinion with nothing to back it just numbers that don't tell the story.

Going into the Bivol fight he is as bloated as you can be bloated, the weight he was carrying in fluid weight did nothing for him and the size and youth of Bivol made Canelo a flat-footed plodder trying to load up on 10 punches a round, he had no such thing against Floyd, yes he had to make weight, did it drain him, if it did point it out to me from the fight itself show me drained pics of the in fight Canelo, point out the video sequence that shows he was weak, slow, gassed, lacking resistance, running out of gas every round etc, all of which none appeared during the fight, just because a guy has to work to make weight if he hydrates fully it won't hurt him, if he doesn't hydrate fully that's when things get messy, like Oscar gaining only 2 pounds is dead man walking. Canelo was perfect compared to Oscar.

Canelo got beat by a much bigger prime generic classic boxer, with the advantages he had if Bivol was that next level guy he would have stopped Canelo, he is actually basic, just top-level basic, without the size difference and bloat Canelo breaks through the defense which changes the fight, there comes a point where weight gain/ opponent size and skills will beat you, Canelo at 175 against prime 175 guys is at least one weight class, more likely two with his best weight at MW, although it would take a burning desire to get back to MW after so long at the higher weight, Im sure that's where the best fighting Canelo would be.

The BS in here is about not giving Floyd any credit for what he did during his career, its always some BS why he beat someone, he either cheated or got lucky or bribed the world, its fckn ridicules the BS in here about Mayweather.

Why would I waist my time doing any of that? I don't need to convince you, any objectibe person that knows about boxing understands Canelo had to fight Mayweather at a lower weight than optimal. Conversely, anybody that is objective and understands boxing can tell Canelo is not as effective at 175 as he is at 168. There's a reason we have weight classes.

My comment was not about discrediting Floyd, but it was meant to credit Canelo who is a great fighter who just lost to an undefeated bigger champion outside of his optimal weightclass. It also happens to be that his other loss was also outside of his optimal weightclass (against Floyd). Those are not excuses, just observations. I think GGG beat Canelo in their first fight, but officially it was a draw so I can't count that fight. Didn't mean offend Floyd's girlfriends here!

[Babadoux]

You got be relevant to issue asterisks brother. 50-0

Said you? Don't let the irony slap you too hard out the door.

[Boxing-1013]

Every advantage in the money field that didn't advantage inside the boxing ring, that's the line you boys dance around, the negative hype vs the actual boxing, as I said Floyd was never better he cheated or got lucky that's your narrative that is empty when scrutinized, only women and fans argue to the death things they know very little about.

If you dislike/hate Mayweather you saddle up the hype mule to win fan battles outside the ring, inside the ring you have Floyd performing for real and the idiots cannot beat him there, so they resort to fan tabloids and fantasy, it blows my mind how people think.

So the next time you respond to me, maybe try responding to things I actually said. Otherwise it's a waste of time for both of us.

[Boxing-1013]

Everytime you nerds get your feelings hurt you start calling people fan boys. You’re the one getting emotional Also one could argue that Money May last 8 wins with the exception of McGregor are better than Canelo last 8 wins

I literally could not care less man lol. I popped into this thread because the last post was from a poster I recognized so I wanted to see what he said, and here I am.

I don't care about comparing Floyd's wins to Canelo's really. But to be fair both of them have a lot of smoke and mirrors with a lot of their wins/official decisions. Both guys also had a lot of talent and were great boxers in many ways too.

I would say Canelo's last stretch of fights was his best stretch, whereas Floyd's best work was at LW and around 130 pounds.

I don't know why you would even want to compare the last 8 fights of each, but to even bring it up and argue Floyd's side of it shows your position - you are a Floyd fanboy, and that's cool man. Really it is. The world needs fanboys and sports needs fanboys too. Just the way it is.