Comments Thread For: George Kambosos vs. Teofimo Lopez - Official Scorecards

[PBR Streetgang]

Ok I see your point of view . . . But it's your POV, (see bold) there is no such standard codified in any State Commission rules, it is the discretion of the judges.

You're correct. I think the problem most fans have is that the discretion always seems to favor the "A-side" fighter. I've seen alot of fights over the years and the vast majority of times a judge will automatically award a 10-8 in favor of the fighter who scored the KD (irrespective of the rest of the round). The only times I recall 10-9 being scored is when one fighter dominated a round only to be dropped by a flash KD. I thought Lopez was edging the round when he was dropped.

[Toffee]

You're correct. I think the problem most fans have is that the discretion always seems to favor the "A-side" fighter. I've seen alot of fights over the years and the vast majority of times a judge will automatically award a 10-8 in favor of the fighter who scored the KD (irrespective of the rest of the round). The only times I recall 10-9 being scored is when one fighter dominated a round only to be dropped by a flash KD. I thought Lopez was edging the round when he was dropped.

If he was only edging it and then got dropped by a good shot... then he lost the round, right?

Then take another point for hitting the canvas. 10-8.

[blowblow]

Clear robbery. You're boy teo can't cook the fight. Teo deserve to lose.. g**** to kambosos. Sparring pacman is the key in this fight. The legend shaped this man to be a new champion.

[PBR Streetgang]

If he was only edging it and then got dropped by a good shot... then he lost the round, right?

Then take another point for hitting the canvas. 10-8.

Agree 100%. I gave it to Kambosos 10-8.

[Jab jab boom]

If it's legitimate knockdown it's a 10-8 round irrespective of the action in the round. So 2 judges messed up here. That's why a lot of fighters focus on getting it together rather than trying to turn around a round where they've touched down. They know the round is lost and its about not being stopped at that point. If they give a 10-9 they have to be consistent and give it that in round 10 also. But 2 wrongs wouldn't make a right, and they don't know that second knockdown is coming. Still the right man got the decision, and it just shows how Kambosos really had to be thorough to get the decision. Frank Lombardi had the most accurate card imo.

False, below is how it actually works:
”If Fighter A is winning the round and scores a knockdown and continues to win the round after the knockdown, then Fighter A is awarded the round 10-8. However, if Fighter A is winning the round and gets knocked down by Fighter B, then Fighter B is awarded the round 10-9. The key is: Which fighter won the round without the knockdown? Thus, most fans and TV commentators are incorrect in automatically scoring a 10-8 round for a fighter who scores a knock down without taking into consideration who won the round without the knock down.”

[chicken-]

Ok I see your point of view . . . But it's your POV, (see bold) there is no such standard codified in any State Commission rules, it is the discretion of the judges.

It is up to their discretion, and 9 times out of 10 that will be scored a 10-8.

[shakedaddy]

I understand that a Rd shouldn't automatically be 10-8 with a knockdown, as someone said here, the pro fight game had a lot of nuance. But IMO, though Teo was prob "winning" the 1st Rd, he was not dominating it. He came out very aggressive, but wasn't landing much of consequence and George displayed great ring generalship by maintaining distance, and excellent defense by blocking or dodging most of the punches. So, in a world championship fight, I think he should've gotten 10-8 for luring Two in and then dropping the bomb like Hiroshima. Things like this always take me back to Holyfield vs. Moorer I, RD2...Holy knocked Moorer down, and one judge scored it 10-10!! Had it even been 10-9, Holyfield would've retained his title. Think about the difference in boxing history b/c of that one point...Holy prob still retires after b/c of his heart, and we never get Moorer vs. Foreman, and the WBA/IBF titles would've been vacated. When the cards were reviewed, Merchant said, "It is UNPRECEDENTED, that in a heavyweight title fight, when the most simple objective is to knock your opponent down or out, would the fighter scoring the knockdown have it be ANYTHING less than a 10-9 Rd, if not 10-8." It wasn't like Moorer was beating Holy pillar to post before taking some lucky flash knockdown where his glove brushed the mat or anything. But like I said about that fight, all's well that ends well, Holy came back with a vengeance vs. Tyson and Moorer, Foreman got his redemption win, and in this case, the right man still won.

[Aware]

The Kambosos knockdown was the definition of a flash knockdown. Teofimo was up before the referee started counting and was not hurt. You can see this by looking at his legs as he got up. Scoring the round 10-9 is not outside the scope of the scoring rules, period. Scoring the round 10-8 is also acceptable. I personally think the 10-9 score is more accurate given the way the round transpired. For the record, I think a Kambosos win was a fair result.

[Willie Pep 229]

It sounds like you’re making things up because it sounds logically conceivable in your head? Thing is, if you are intelligent enough to formulate a theory like that, I would have expected you to have actually read the rules

The fight was sanctioned with the ABC rules. There rule is as follows (very clear, search for ABC boxing rules):

‘The Mandatory Eight (8) Count after knockdowns will be standard procedure in all bouts.’

the separation between a knockdown and flash knockdown is not recognised in the commission rules.

this rule is exactly the same with the BBBC in the UK. I’m not sure about anywhere else, but I would guess it’s also the same if there are sanctioning body titles at stake

That's not what a 'mandatory eight count' means -- we are not talking the referee's count we are talking the judge's scoring.

Maybe you read my post too quickly.

[1nonlymre]

The Kambosos knockdown was the definition of a flash knockdown. Teofimo was up before the referee started counting and was not hurt. You can see this by looking at his legs as he got up. Scoring the round 10-9 is not outside the scope of the scoring rules period. Scoring the round 10-8 is also acceptable. I personally think the 10-9 score is more accurate given the way the round transpired. For the record, I think a Kambosos win was a fair result.

I think scoring it 10-9 IS OUTSIDE the scope of the 10-point must system. In the 10-point must system, at least one fighter is awarded 10 points at the end of the round using the scoring criteria (which does NOT include knockdowns as a criteria). Once you establish who earns the 10 points for winning the round overall, you take away points for knockdowns, then you take away deducted points for fouls. To think a 10-9 round with a knockdown is acceptable is to believe the round was a 10-10 round before adjusting for the knockdown.

For me, personally, I felt Teofimo won the first round, forcing George to back away most of the time and fight defensively and reactively. In his aggression, he was knocked down towards the end of the round, but he had already established his slight dominance over the previous 2+ minutes. Teofimo got up quickly, did not physically show signs of being heavily hurt, and weathered the remainder of the round. Although he got knocked down, I believe he otherwise won the round, making it 10-9 for Teofimo. Then I deduct one point for the knockdown, making it 9-9. I felt the same way about both Fury knockdowns in the first Wilder fight. I can, however, see people feeling George won the first round, and further cementing that first round win with a knockdown that results in a 10-8 round for him.

Oh, and I also felt the right guy ultimately won. Cong****, Kombosos.