Do you consider JMM as an ATG???

[-MAKAVELLI-]

El Terrible would have looked terrible and would lose a thrilling UD. Marquez is a better counter puncher than Barerra, and has more power.

bull****...the chinny marquez would need to drink a bucket of Ray Robinson's piss just to have a chance...prime El Terrible in a vintage, ass-kicking fashion

[nujabes77]

I don't.

Can anyone really say Marquez is one of the 10 greatest at any weight which he participated? Is his overall resume up to par with guys regarded among the top 100 to ever do it? Does he even have a career defining win?

I know we can nitpick anyones career and I don't like to do it, but as far as I'm concerned Marquez has a few nice wins over aging champs like Barrera and Casamayor (ex-champ) and solid middling fighters/titleholders like Juan Diaz. Like many people say, his best performances came in a loss and a draw to MAnny Pacquiao, an all-time great fighter.

His peers whom I hold in higher regard (Morales, Barrera, Pacquiao) all have easy cases to make when you think about the things I pointed out to start my post.

Morales has the defining wins against Barrera, Zaragoza and Pacquiao. He is one of the 3 greatest 122 pounders of all-time and has one hell of an overall resume. His work at 126 and 130 was consistent and impressive considering his competition.

Barrera beat Morales and Hamed in career defining fights. He revived his career twice and reinvented himself during his championship runs. One could easily make a case that Barrera is top 3-5 all-time at 122 and top 10 at 126.

Pacquiao beat all three of his vaunted Mexican peers in addition to DLH and HAtton. His resume is excellent and he could definitely be considered top 10 at 122 and 130 all-time.

So after all of this, I sum up by saying Marquez is a very good fighter with a lot of talent, but he's not among the very best to ever do it....yet.

good post man

[loui_ludwig]

I don't.

Can anyone really say Marquez is one of the 10 greatest at any weight which he participated? Is his overall resume up to par with guys regarded among the top 100 to ever do it? Does he even have a career defining win?

I know we can nitpick anyones career and I don't like to do it, but as far as I'm concerned Marquez has a few nice wins over aging champs like Barrera and Casamayor (ex-champ) and solid middling fighters/titleholders like Juan Diaz. Like many people say, his best performances came in a loss and a draw to MAnny Pacquiao, an all-time great fighter.

His peers whom I hold in higher regard (Morales, Barrera, Pacquiao) all have easy cases to make when you think about the things I pointed out to start my post.

Morales has the defining wins against Barrera, Zaragoza and Pacquiao. He is one of the 3 greatest 122 pounders of all-time and has one hell of an overall resume. His work at 126 and 130 was consistent and impressive considering his competition.

Barrera beat Morales and Hamed in career defining fights. He revived his career twice and reinvented himself during his championship runs. One could easily make a case that Barrera is top 3-5 all-time at 122 and top 10 at 126.

Pacquiao beat all three of his vaunted Mexican peers in addition to DLH and HAtton. His resume is excellent and he could definitely be considered top 10 at 122 and 130 all-time.

So after all of this, I sum up by saying Marquez is a very good fighter with a lot of talent, but he's not among the very best to ever do it....yet.

Great post.

[street bully]

bull****...the chinny marquez would need to drink a bucket of Ray Robinson's piss just to have a chance...prime El Terrible in a vintage, ass-kicking fashion

Chinny my ass. Prime Marquez never got stopped, can Barerra say that?

[-MAKAVELLI-]

Chinny my ass. Prime Marquez never got stopped, can Barerra say that?

he IS chinny...if Juan Diaz had any power, Marquez would have been asleep early in that fight...he has tremendous recovery but he is chinny


prime marquez never got stopped because he was fighting the orlando salidos and victor polos of his division

[JAB5239]

i rank marquez behind morales and barrera

As of right now, so do I. But it may have been different had he had better management.

[street bully]

he IS chinny...if Juan Diaz had any power, Marquez would have been asleep early in that fight...he has tremendous recovery but he is chinny


prime marquez never got stopped because he was fighting the orlando salidos and victor polos of his division

He was slightly shook by Diaz, ge was firing combos two seconds later. Hardly in trouble there. Also the older Barerras and Marquez's would have got stopped by Diaz.

[PoetryInMotion]

Marquez would have KO'd Hamed. No lie.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

As of right now, so do I. But it may have been different had he had better management.

indeed...no dis*****g that...at the time of the initial PAC rematch (march 05), had he taken that purse offer, i think he would have had a great chance of winning and getting lined up for Morales...his career definitely was mismanaged

He was slightly shook by Diaz, ge was firing combos two seconds later. Hardly in trouble there. Also the older Barerras and Marquez's would have got stopped by Diaz.

Street, he was shook and on wobbly legs but like i said, if Diaz had a bit more pop, Marquez would have been more than 'shook'

[WhoreUs]

As of right now, so do I. But it may have been different had he had better management.

not a valid excuse.

skillswise he's on barrera and morales level.

resume wise he's not. he caught up a little though.