Can Manny Pacquiao Surpass Sugar Ray Leonard in the ATG List?

[mellow_mood]

if he does that, beat cotto and floyd he got a case......

[The_Demon]

Totally agree Leonard different class.
Think people are gettinga little too carried away with Pacquiao's victories.

But my imo is he'll stop Cotto late rounds

no doubt he has a good chance of beating cotto and pac has some great victories,he has beat some hall of famers (marquez,morales,barrera) whereas leonard has beaten 4 ATGs one of them being top 10 and a host of other top fighters

[BennyST]

I do think Pacman could surpass SRL on the ATG list If he beats Cotto and Mayweather. I think he should be pretty close to him now with his accomplishments.

SRL-
Started as a Welterweight (147)
Gold Medal Winner 1976 Olympics
WBC WW Title- Wilfred Benitez 38-0-1 // 53-8-1
Lost than Won to Duran 71-1 // 103-16
WBA SWW Title- Ayub Kalule 36-0 // 46-4
WBC WBA WW Title Unification- Tommy Hearns 32-0 // 61-5-1
WBC MW Title- Marvin Hagler 62-2-2 // 62-3-2
WBC SM & WBC LHW Title- Donny Lalonde 31-2 // 41-5-1
WBC WBO Title Unification- Tommy Hearns DRAW
1 more victory against Duran
Losses to both Terry Norris & Hector Camacho

PAC-
Started as a Minimum Weight (106)
Lost to Rustico Torrecampo 11-4-4
WBC Flyweight Title- Chatchai Sasakul 33-1 // 65-4
Lost to Medgoen Singsurat 18-0 // 63-5
IBF SBW Title- Lehlohonolo Ledwaba 33-1-1 // 36-6
IBF WBO Title Unification- Agapito Sanchez 31-9-2 // 36-11-3 TD
Beat Barrera 57-3
Draw with WBA IBF FW Champ- Juan Manuel Marquez 42-2-0
Lost to Erik Morrales 47-2
Beat Morales twice in rematches
Beat Barrera in rematch
WBC SFW Title- Juan Manuel Marquez 48-3-1
WBC LW Title- David Diaz 34-1-1
Beat De La Hoya 39-5-0
IBO LWW Title- Ricky Hatton 45-1-0

I think Pacman would rank Higher than SRL possibly if he only beats Cotto IMO. But to make it sure he's gonna have to either beat Mosley, Mayweather or Marquez than retire. I think thats enough

Wow, when you put it out like that it makes me think that there is no way Pac could ever get close to Leonard. Those two careers condensed like that show Leonard to be much higher. People forget just how good those guys were at the time. Hearns, Benitez, Duran, Hagler etc. Twenty David Diaz's don't equal one win over a prime Duran, Benitez or Hearns.

We consider Mayweather and Pac truly great now, with no one else really on their level right? Well, all of those guys were on the same level. Everyone considered them greats.

[JM1]

I do think Pacman could surpass SRL on the ATG list If he beats Cotto and Mayweather. I think he should be pretty close to him now with his accomplishments.

SRL-
Started as a Welterweight (147)
Gold Medal Winner 1976 Olympics
WBC WW Title- Wilfred Benitez 38-0-1 // 53-8-1
Lost than Won to Duran 71-1 // 103-16
WBA SWW Title- Ayub Kalule 36-0 // 46-4
WBC WBA WW Title Unification- Tommy Hearns 32-0 // 61-5-1
WBC MW Title- Marvin Hagler 62-2-2 // 62-3-2
WBC SM & WBC LHW Title- Donny Lalonde 31-2 // 41-5-1
WBC WBO Title Unification- Tommy Hearns DRAW
1 more victory against Duran
Losses to both Terry Norris & Hector Camacho

PAC-
Started as a Minimum Weight (106)
Lost to Rustico Torrecampo 11-4-4
WBC Flyweight Title- Chatchai Sasakul 33-1 // 65-4
Lost to Medgoen Singsurat 18-0 // 63-5
IBF SBW Title- Lehlohonolo Ledwaba 33-1-1 // 36-6
IBF WBO Title Unification- Agapito Sanchez 31-9-2 // 36-11-3 TD
Beat Barrera 57-3
Draw with WBA IBF FW Champ- Juan Manuel Marquez 42-2-0
Lost to Erik Morrales 47-2
Beat Morales twice in rematches
Beat Barrera in rematch
WBC SFW Title- Juan Manuel Marquez 48-3-1
WBC LW Title- David Diaz 34-1-1
Beat De La Hoya 39-5-0
IBO LWW Title- Ricky Hatton 45-1-0

I think Pacman would rank Higher than SRL possibly if he only beats Cotto IMO. But to make it sure he's gonna have to either beat Mosley, Mayweather or Marquez than retire. I think thats enough

good post but i think pac should beat shane mosley to even dare compete with sugar ray leonard

[hammerhiem]

No, not unless he has an epic trilogy with mayweather anyway.

[sammiza567]

if he ko's cotto, wins or has an epic trilogy with floyd, and then beats paul williams he will be top 5 p4p imo and i am not a pacman fan really. but he wont beat any of those guys. he will get stopped by cotto i have seen it in a dream. 7th round tko bump this thread later lol./