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Can Manny Pacquiao Surpass Sugar Ray Leonard in the ATG List?

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    #141
    Originally posted by miron_lang View Post
    ESPN have Barrera and Morales inside their TOP 50 and MArquez aint even done yet.
    O **** I forgot they were in there...we'll see about Marquez...I think he's a very good fighter but his best wins came when his opponents(and him) were past there prime...

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      #142
      It is possible...but not very likely ATM.

      Manny would have to beat Cotto, Mosley and Mayweather.

      Then he somehow blows his body up into a full fledged 147 pounder. See how unlikely this is starting to turn out? ...He was able to turn a 106 pound body into a 140 body so it isn't COMPLETELY ****** and Duran was able to go to 164 pounds and still give MARVIN HAGLER a run for his money. Is Pac, Duran material? We'll still have to see. I mean again...Manny went to 140 pounds from 106 and he likes it so who knows?

      Then he has to beat Wright or Williams at 154 by KO/TKO or by shut out. But what are the odds of that happening?

      Even then, he still might not make it past SRL.

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        #143
        Originally posted by Sandro17 View Post
        It is possible...but not very likely ATM.

        Manny would have to beat Cotto, Mosley and Mayweather.

        Then he somehow blows his body up into a full fledged 147 pounder. See how unlikely this is starting to turn out? ...He was able to turn a 106 pound body into a 140 body so it isn't COMPLETELY ****** and Duran was able to go to 164 pounds and still give MARVIN HAGLER a run for his money. Is Pac, Duran material? We'll still have to see. I mean again...Manny went to 140 pounds from 106 and he likes it so who knows?

        Then he has to beat Wright or Williams at 154 by KO/TKO or by shut out. But what are the odds of that happening?

        Even then, he still might not make it past SRL.
        Difference is Manny was a teen and his body matured into higher weights for the most part...Duran was 135 in his 20's and went all the way to 160 winning titles...

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          #144
          Yes i would say Pac is level with SRL now. Could be just above SRL or just below. You could make an argument either way.

          Pac beat, Morales, Barrera,Hatton, DLH. Big, big names and the manner in which he beat them is something SRL couldnt do.

          Pac is the best now. SRL wasnt really considered the best was he? Duran, Hagler, Hearns and a few others i bet had a shout of who was the best in those days.

          People talk about how Pac will be the greatest who ever lived with a few more wins over certain people. So hes got to be above SRL.

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            #145
            Originally posted by The_Executioner View Post
            Difference is Manny was a teen and his body matured into higher weights for the most part...Duran was 135 in his 20's and went all the way to 160 winning titles...
            Duran also started at 118 pounds, older than when Pacquiao was 106.

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              #146
              Originally posted by TheGreatA View Post
              He really doesn't have opposition like Hagler, Hearns and Duran around but a win over Mayweather would be huge.
              That's the point here I think. He would have to beat Mayweather. Leonard beat four fighters that were all like Mayweather is today. Hearns an all time great, Benitez an all time great, Duran a top ten all time great and Hagler an all time great and maybe the best middleweight ever.

              That's like beating four Mayweather's! Though he got beaten by Duran he even up the score by winning the rematch, he beat the undefeated Hearns, the undefeated Benitez and Marvin Hagler who had not lost in eleven years and had been unbeaten throughout his whole championship reign from 1980 to 1987!

              Now, the other big thing to consider here is when they did it. Leonard beat Hearns and Benitez at the top of their games in their prime years. Duran and Hagler may both have been slightly on the decline with Duran having already moved up from 118 to 147 and having had seventy fights, but he had still only lost once years and year before and fought one of the great fights in their first match. Hagler had slowed a fair bit but he had still not lost in eleven years! That's seriously impressive.

              Pac has beaten the three FW great of this era, but they weren't at the peak times like Leonard's either. Morales was all but done having lost twice before fighting Pac and being at the end of his career. Barrera had also lost a couple of times to Jones as well as to Moarles, but he had been on a good championship run for a while when he met Pac. Great win!

              Marquez is still his best win so far I think. He had lost his pro debut by DQ, which doesn't really count. Apart from that though he had only lost one fight in his first title shot to Norwood which many think he won anyway, but that was five years before the Pac fight. He also then lost two fights later in another fight many saw going his way but, really, hasn't lost as such at all. The Pac fight was so close and many also felt that Marquez won it, but the official verdict was a Pac win and that may very well be his best win yet. The Oscar and Hatton fights were good name fights but they simply don't warrant any discussion in this type of debate when discussing truly legendary wins. They were good names that add to his overall record but they don't catapult him to the heights of Leonard.

              Not that it is something to moan at. Very few fights in history will be able to match that. Not only will they rarely ever have the skill and will of Leonard but there will probably never be another time when one era contains such an amazing array of ATG fighters across so many divisions. The other great thing was that they were all more than willing to fight each other to show who was the best. Apart from that though they also all had massive careers of their own outside the fights they had with each other, all of them beating other truly great champions. It would be nearly impossible for Pac to get higher than Leonard. He really would have to beat Cotto, Mayweather and then take one of the major title holders at 154 or something to get close to the top ten or surpass Leonard.

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                #147
                people genuinely think he could easily surpass ray leonard,thats crazy-some people need too learn their history

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                  #148
                  Originally posted by JM1 View Post
                  lets say he beats cotto then beats floyd, as a pac fan i still cant see him getting a better place in the ATG list. sugar ray beat everyone he needs to beat. benitez, duran, hearns, and hagler. skill wise, sugar ray is also better. pac maybe able to match up srl's resume if he beats mosley
                  shut the **** up you ****** jobless bum.

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                    #149
                    Originally posted by british_fan View Post
                    people genuinely think he could easily surpass ray leonard,thats crazy-some people need too learn their history
                    Totally agree Leonard different class.
                    Think people are gettinga little too carried away with Pacquiao's victories.

                    But my imo is he'll stop Cotto late rounds

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                      #150
                      these same types of threads were rampant here when tito was on his tear.

                      they'll stop after cotto handles the mango madness.

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