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    #51
    I'm not reading this shyt.

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      #52
      its hard to get excited for a fight when you know JMM doesnt belong at 147. You can even argue that he didn't belong at 135. His legs looked shaky vs Diaz

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        #53
        so long......

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          #54
          Originally posted by Primal Instinx View Post
          DLT- Now you are making excuses because of size...last I remembered it's not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog. If Mayweather couldn't handle the WWs then why the hell talk like he is the best WW? I have said it before and will continue to say it: Don't talk the talk, walk the walk...if he can't get down with that then he needs to stop writing checks that his ass can't cash. Plain and simple.

          As far as this fight being legit: My arguement is that Marquez has never been a WW nor has he competed in that class before. I certainly do not have him ranked as high as Golden Boy or youself...#2 spot is too far fetched for me personally. Yes Marquez is a good fighter but at WW I don't think the man can defeat Margarito, Clottey, Shane, Cotto, Berto, Collazo, Cintron, Quintana, nor Williams. Therefore what the hell does Floyd gain by defeating Marquez? Nothing all he is doing is running from the guys that truly are worthy of fighting him. Marquez doesn't hold water in this division yet so why proclaim this fight is legit at WW?
          Again, it goes back to the size. Theyre was a reason why Hatton & there camp said that they would come to WW to fight Floyd but not anyone else. They said they would fight him because they dont beleive he is a real WW and they actually beleive they are bigger. JMM wouldnt fight anyone else there right now but he will fight Floyd because they dont beleive he is a real WW. Also, lets give the respect and admit that it is at 144 pounds. I mean everyone talks about 145 for Pac-Cotto all day but no one says 144 about this fight. They all just say its 2 divisions up and a WW fight. I just think its a little hypocritical of fans & boxers. I rememeber Williams use to call guys like Cotto a punk for trying to fight Floyd instead of him. He would always say that they just want Floyd because they know he doesnt belong at WW. He's too small to beat any of the guys. Cintron has always said the same thing. The WW's want Floyd, not because there beast but because of the other factors. They know that they will be fighting a guy who they could possibly have 15 or more pounds on inside the ring, they dont beleive that he can hurt them, they know he has to pot shot them, they will get there biggest pay day ever, and they will get mad credit for beating the best guy in the sport.

          The bottom line is that if Floyd is 160 like them then its no fight. He would fight all of them and destroy them. I hear people saying that JMM wont be the same guy at that weight but is Floyd the same guy at that weight? Hell NO. He's slower, fights slower, and only pot shots now. He's not the guy he was at the lower weights but all the WW's are at there prime weight and are huge for the weight. I was just watching Sweet Pea vs McGirt the other night for the WW title and I said that Floyd would fight these guys all day even though you could argue both or definatly 1 of them is better than all the WW's now. These guys are huge for the weight. However, I will say this. I think all of that is about to change. I think Floyd is starting to get a little bigger and he wants those fights. I have always said that he wants the Mosley fight. I think Cotto & Margarito have always been a little different because they are pressure fighters and there size may be too much but guys like Mosley, Berto, and Clottey cant bully Floyd. Its not there style. I think he would fight all of those guys. I think he fights Mosley next or atleast Berto if he doesnt get the Pac fight

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            #55
            Um Marquez is a counter puncher, older, slower, shorter, smaller, lighter, looked vulnerable in his last fight, climbing 2 divisions, fighting over his ideal weight vs. mayweather. The fight's a ****in joke. Before you come back at me go peep the vegas odds on the fight smart guys. If DLT is so right with his analysis then the guys making bank in sin city must be ******.

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              #56
              Originally posted by sandyvahra View Post
              Um Marquez is a counter puncher, older, slower, shorter, smaller, lighter, looked vulnerable in his last fight, climbing 2 divisions, fighting over his ideal weight vs. mayweather. The fight's a ****in joke. Before you come back at me go peep the vegas odds on the fight smart guys. If DLT is so right with his analysis then the guys making bank in sin city must be ******.
              What does Vegas have to do with anything? What, the underdog never wins in any sport? Also, Vegas doesnt just pick a line. They pick what they think the public will do and thats what everyone is saying. Thats the whole point of my post. Oscar was favored over Pac and Tarver was a huge favorite over Hopkins but I still made a mad ton of money. My boy Paulie was a super huge underdog last night but most think he won the fight.

              Im also sick of hearing the JMM counter puncher stuff. Dude throws alot. Just because he's a counter puncher doesnt mean that he runs. He still stands right in the Center of the ring all fight and rarely ever goes backwards. My point is what you said in your top line is a joke. 1st off you make it sound like JMM is a nobody with no skills. 2nd, if he's the lesser guy in all those catagories against Floyd then that doesnt mean anything but Floyd is a beast, right? I mean, everyone has JMM ranked as the #2 guy in the world. Basically, if thats the case then you think Floyd would destroy him at any weight, right?

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                #57
                Originally posted by DLT View Post
                What does Vegas have to do with anything? What, the underdog never wins in any sport? Also, Vegas doesnt just pick a line. They pick what they think the public will do and thats what everyone is saying. Thats the whole point of my post. Oscar was favored over Pac and Tarver was a huge favorite over Hopkins but I still made a mad ton of money. My boy Paulie was a super huge underdog last night but most think he won the fight.

                Im also sick of hearing the JMM counter puncher stuff. Dude throws alot. Just because he's a counter puncher doesnt mean that he runs. He still stands right in the Center of the ring all fight and rarely ever goes backwards. My point is what you said in your top line is a joke. 1st off you make it sound like JMM is a nobody with no skills. 2nd, if he's the lesser guy in all those catagories against Floyd then that doesnt mean anything but Floyd is a beast, right? I mean, everyone has JMM ranked as the #2 guy in the world. Basically, if thats the case then you think Floyd would destroy him at any weight, right?
                Great you've given me a couple example of when underdogs prevail. I can give you 100x more examples of when the favourite wins. Thus, Vegas/Public know their ****. Floyds more than a 4-1 favouritre the fight should go that way in my opinion.

                Long story short yes floyd beats jmm at any weight based on everything else i said. Styles make fights n floyd chose this fight carefully. If it was going to be more competetive ticket sales would be doing better. I think floyd beats him down. no scorecard closed than 8-4 if it goes 12, but likely a floyd stoppage. Lets save the back n forth, if you wanna bet ill throw all my points on that just pop it in your sig.

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                  #58
                  mayweather talks too much yet does too little for me to be exited for any of his fights. this fight will be boring.

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                    #59
                    The fight will be over and done by the time I finish reading all that TS hahaha..

                    It's gonna be a great fight, JMM will at least put up a good fight and it will lead to bigger and greater things.

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by sandyvahra View Post
                      Great you've given me a couple example of when underdogs prevail. I can give you 100x more examples of when the favourite wins. Thus, Vegas/Public know their ****. Floyds more than a 4-1 favouritre the fight should go that way in my opinion.

                      Long story short yes floyd beats jmm at any weight based on everything else i said. Styles make fights n floyd chose this fight carefully. If it was going to be more competetive ticket sales would be doing better. I think floyd beats him down. no scorecard closed than 8-4 if it goes 12, but likely a floyd stoppage. Lets save the back n forth, if you wanna bet ill throw all my points on that just pop it in your sig.
                      Why would I bet? Floyd is my favorite fighter and I hope he does kill him. I could see it easily happening but that doesnt make the fight unlegit. Thats my point. Pac just KO Hatton in 2 rounds but was that not a legit fight? Mosley just slaughtered Margarito but was that not a legit fight. You talk about the odds and the favorite most of the time winning but my point is that still doesnt stop a great matchup from being hyped up, from being a special fight. Thats my point. Again, you cant tell me that JMM doesnt have as good or if not alot better of a chance against Floyd than a 140 pound Floyd had against a 160 pound Winky but everyone felt that was a legit fight when it was being discussed because it was the best 2 P4P guys in the sport at the time. Thats my point.

                      I honestly beleive this has alot to do with a ton of people loving JMM and hating Floyd. They all think Floyd will win so they downplay it like its a nothing fight because there warrior will lose to the guy they hate the most. What if Margarito before the Mosley fight said that he wanted to move up to fight Pavlik for the MW title? It wouldve been so hyped up even though Pavlik wouldve clearly been the favorite. That shouldnt stop people from hyping this fight and not only that, but giving solid credit to the winner because Winky & Pavlik would get credit for beating Floyd & Margarito and you know it. I bet Floyd wont, as usual

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