Are All Of You Insane!!!!!

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mayweather talks too much yet does too little for me to be exited for any of his fights. this fight will be boring.

one thing tho, I will be rooting for JMM and i do hope he can pull it off. who knows

[sandyvahra]

Why would I bet? Floyd is my favorite fighter and I hope he does kill him. I could see it easily happening but that doesnt make the fight unlegit. Thats my point. Pac just KO Hatton in 2 rounds but was that not a legit fight? Mosley just slaughtered Margarito but was that not a legit fight. You talk about the odds and the favorite most of the time winning but my point is that still doesnt stop a great matchup from being hyped up, from being a special fight. Thats my point. Again, you cant tell me that JMM doesnt have as good or if not alot better of a chance against Floyd than a 140 pound Floyd had against a 160 pound Winky but everyone felt that was a legit fight when it was being discussed because it was the best 2 P4P guys in the sport at the time. Thats my point.

I honestly beleive this has alot to do with a ton of people loving JMM and hating Floyd. They all think Floyd will win so they downplay it like its a nothing fight because there warrior will lose to the guy they hate the most. What if Margarito before the Mosley fight said that he wanted to move up to fight Pavlik for the MW title? It wouldve been so hyped up even though Pavlik wouldve clearly been the favorite. That shouldnt stop people from hyping this fight and not only that, but giving solid credit to the winner because Winky & Pavlik would get credit for beating Floyd & Margarito and you know it. I bet Floyd wont, as usual

Floyd was 147 at the time. Wink just moved up to 154 but was willing to come back to 154. JMM does not have nearly as good a chance vs floyd as Floyd would have over wink. Wink would never be a 4.5-1 fav period. You think its gonna be a good matchup, i dont. I think the general public is on my side. Floyd sr. called it a frikken tuneup, thats all it is.

Difference is Marquez has not looked good in moving up. He was getting tagged by Diaz and lucky Diaz doesn't know how to finish else JMM would have been out of there early. Give him credit. Theres nothing to hype this fight when the fights the fans wants to see (mosley, cotto, pacman) got left out. Instead of fighting a lb 4 lb WW which those 3 are (except pac), he decides to fight a lb 4 lb lightweight with a favourable style to his. Thats all there is to it.

[Primal Instinx]

Again, it goes back to the size. Theyre was a reason why Hatton & there camp said that they would come to WW to fight Floyd but not anyone else. They said they would fight him because they dont beleive he is a real WW and they actually beleive they are bigger. JMM wouldnt fight anyone else there right now but he will fight Floyd because they dont beleive he is a real WW. Also, lets give the respect and admit that it is at 144 pounds. I mean everyone talks about 145 for Pac-Cotto all day but no one says 144 about this fight. They all just say its 2 divisions up and a WW fight. I just think its a little hypocritical of fans & boxers. I rememeber Williams use to call guys like Cotto a punk for trying to fight Floyd instead of him. He would always say that they just want Floyd because they know he doesnt belong at WW. He's too small to beat any of the guys. Cintron has always said the same thing. The WW's want Floyd, not because there beast but because of the other factors. They know that they will be fighting a guy who they could possibly have 15 or more pounds on inside the ring, they dont beleive that he can hurt them, they know he has to pot shot them, they will get there biggest pay day ever, and they will get mad credit for beating the best guy in the sport.

The bottom line is that if Floyd is 160 like them then its no fight. He would fight all of them and destroy them. I hear people saying that JMM wont be the same guy at that weight but is Floyd the same guy at that weight? Hell NO. He's slower, fights slower, and only pot shots now. He's not the guy he was at the lower weights but all the WW's are at there prime weight and are huge for the weight. I was just watching Sweet Pea vs McGirt the other night for the WW title and I said that Floyd would fight these guys all day even though you could argue both or definatly 1 of them is better than all the WW's now. These guys are huge for the weight. However, I will say this. I think all of that is about to change. I think Floyd is starting to get a little bigger and he wants those fights. I have always said that he wants the Mosley fight. I think Cotto & Margarito have always been a little different because they are pressure fighters and there size may be too much but guys like Mosley, Berto, and Clottey cant bully Floyd. Its not there style. I think he would fight all of those guys. I think he fights Mosley next or atleast Berto if he doesnt get the Pac fight

On Hatton fighting Floyd: All about Finances

On this fight at 144lbs. Still doesn't make this a legit fight regardless if either camp thinks they are not WWs & nobody is making a big deal about it being at 144lbs. because the fight is not legitimate at anyweight above 135lbs. Marquez could barely make it out of that division without getting rocked.

Did you see how much pressure Clottey and Margarito put on a "smaller" Cotto??? Yeah that would bully and try the same with Floyd without question.

Bottom line is that Floyd is a fighter in the most talented rich division and refuses to fight anyone who can threaten that "0" Besides Floyd has been around that weight division now since 2005...over 4 yrs...I don't know how much longer he needs to settle into a weight so his fans can finally say oh he is now a WW. Sorry but I call it as I see it and right now Floyd is not living up to expectations of the best of the best when it comes to his opposition.

[DLT]

Floyd was 147 at the time. Wink just moved up to 154 but was willing to come back to 154. JMM does not have nearly as good a chance vs floyd as Floyd would have over wink. Wink would never be a 4.5-1 fav period. You think its gonna be a good matchup, i dont. I think the general public is on my side. Floyd sr. called it a frikken tuneup, thats all it is.

Difference is Marquez has not looked good in moving up. He was getting tagged by Diaz and lucky Diaz doesn't know how to finish else JMM would have been out of there early. Give him credit. Theres nothing to hype this fight when the fights the fans wants to see (mosley, cotto, pacman) got left out. Instead of fighting a lb 4 lb WW which those 3 are (except pac), he decides to fight a lb 4 lb lightweight with a favourable style to his. Thats all there is to it.

You are totally wrong. I remember everything like it was yesterday. Go look at the dates. Floyd had just beat Gatti at 140 and Winky had just beat Tito at 160. This fight was scheduled to be at 154. No one dissed it and they dissed Floyd when it didnt happened. Again, stop talkin about the odds. Odds dont mean nothing. Odds has more to do with the fighter then the fight itself. Floyd isnt going to be 4.5-1 to anyone outside of SMW. I guarantee you he could go to 160 right now to fight Pavlik and he wouldnt be 4.5-1. He could fight Froch at SMW and he wouldnt be 4.5-1 despite his extremely small size. You are also another guy in the JMM barely made it out of LW catagory. Barely made it out? Stopping the best 2 LW's in the world, 2 guys who wont be stopped by anyone else in history. Also, Winky started his career at 154 and was there for a long time so how could he just have moved up to 154? Are you sure you really know your boxing stuff or are you one of these nubies who just go by what theyve recently saw. Have you ever even seen Floyd at the lower weights?

[DLT]

On Hatton fighting Floyd: All about Finances

On this fight at 144lbs. Still doesn't make this a legit fight regardless if either camp thinks they are not WWs & nobody is making a big deal about it being at 144lbs. because the fight is not legitimate at anyweight above 135lbs. Marquez could barely make it out of that division without getting rocked.

Did you see how much pressure Clottey and Margarito put on a "smaller" Cotto??? Yeah that would bully and try the same with Floyd without question.

Bottom line is that Floyd is a fighter in the most talented rich division and refuses to fight anyone who can threaten that "0" Besides Floyd has been around that weight division now since 2005...over 4 yrs...I don't know how much longer he needs to settle into a weight so his fans can finally say oh he is now a WW. Sorry but I call it as I see it and right now Floyd is not living up to expectations of the best of the best when it comes to his opposition.

I just wrote this to the other guy: You are also another guy in the JMM barely made it out of LW catagory. Barely made it out? Stopping the best 2 LW's in the world, 2 guys who wont be stopped by anyone else in history. Also, Winky started his career at 154 and was there for a long time so how could he just have moved up to 154? Are you sure you really know your boxing stuff or are you one of these nubies who just go by what theyve recently saw. Have you ever even seen Floyd at the lower weights.

I truly dont understand your 2nd paragraph. Are you trying to say that Cotto is too small to bully Floyd or the other 2 guys definatly would bully him? With the 4 years thing, you sound exactly like the media. Forget the fact that he was retired for 2 of those 4 years. That doesnt matter I guess. Nevermind the fact that the guy has only had 4 fights at the weight but you guys want to make it sound like he's had 50. In those 4 fights he fought the true WW champ in Baldy, andother fight against Zab who everyone wanted to see at the time, a 3rd fight against a guy in Hatton who was undefeated and just beat a very good big WW in Collazo, and he went up to 154 to beat a very live Oscar. Stop acting like he has just been floating around there

[Primal Instinx]

I just wrote this to the other guy: You are also another guy in the JMM barely made it out of LW catagory. Barely made it out? Stopping the best 2 LW's in the world, 2 guys who wont be stopped by anyone else in history. Also, Winky started his career at 154 and was there for a long time so how could he just have moved up to 154? Are you sure you really know your boxing stuff or are you one of these nubies who just go by what theyve recently saw. Have you ever even seen Floyd at the lower weights.

I truly dont understand your 2nd paragraph. Are you trying to say that Cotto is too small to bully Floyd or the other 2 guys definatly would bully him? With the 4 years thing, you sound exactly like the media. Forget the fact that he was retired for 2 of those 4 years. That doesnt matter I guess. Nevermind the fact that the guy has only had 4 fights at the weight but you guys want to make it sound like he's had 50. In those 4 fights he fought the true WW champ in Baldy, andother fight against Zab who everyone wanted to see at the time, a 3rd fight against a guy in Hatton who was undefeated and just beat a very good big WW in Collazo, and he went up to 154 to beat a very live Oscar. Stop acting like he has just been floating around there

First off: Casamayor was hardly the best at lightweight and was taken to school by Katsidis until he landed a hailmarry punch then was handed another ass whoopin by Santa Cruz who is a nobody in the division but Santa got robbed at gunpoint. Marquez beating Casamayor was not impressive by no means. And was so far out of his prime that the Casamayor that fought Marquez is a shell of the Casamayor that used to rule 130lbs.

Second: Juan Diaz is a young fighter that gets frazzled every time he gets a cut and has pillows for fists. Once again what makes a great fight is two fighters at the same level of abilities and right now people are saying that Juan Diaz vs Marquez was fight of the year. That means Marquez is barely better than Diaz and was shook in that Diaz fight with shaky legs….by a guy who doesn’t carry power in the division. Does that make sense to you? So now Marquez is jumping 2 divisions which he has never participated in and fights the self-proclaimed best. How does this guy merit a fight with Floyd and how does this fight merit legitimacy at welterweight?

“Also, Winky started his career at 154 and was there for a long time so how could he just have moved up to 154? Are you sure you really know your boxing stuff or are you one of these nubies who just go by what theyve recently saw. Have you ever even seen Floyd at the lower weights.” ---> Not sure what this paragraph is trying to explain cause I haven’t mentioned anything about Winky Wright. As far as watching boxing I’ve been watching it since early 80s bro and have followed Floyd’s entire career since Olympics so don’t even try to bring up this weak ass argument to try and discredit my points.

Do you honestly believe that Floyd was retired for 2 years? Get real he never retired…he stayed in the Gym like the Gym Rat that he and hopkins and other greats are working out. All he did was take a hiatus from the sport and competition but never retired so stop with the retirement debate cause it will not hold water.

As far as Baldy: my god this has been one of my biggest arguments in this whole debate…Baldy is exactly the media hype I’m talking about. Dude was not the best welterweight fighter by no means and the media made him out to be that way and especially Floyd because he knew this was the easy route to gain a belt at welterweight. Baldy was nothing more than a punching bag that had pillows for fists and heart. That is it nothing more. That is why Floyd took on Baldy instead of Margarito the one guy that everyone, except the media hype machine, recognized as the real champ at WW at the time.

Refer to my other posts on Hatton cause I’m not going to break down this guy to you but the fact that you actually stated he beat Collazo is making me wonder about your alterior motives like Floyd…your trying to swing the debate your way and it’s not working cause anyone can see as clear as day that Collazo dismantled Hatton in that fight but Hatton’s star status…much like Juan Diaz last night, is what pulled him through that bout not the actual fight itself.

Like I have stated in this debate time and time again: Floyd is a ring general and genius but his lack of committment to excellence is what bothers me and why I will not grant him a pass on the media hate threads. I expect the best vs the best and I do not allow for mediochre achievments when the potential far exceeds the record itself. Floyd has had a dismal career after 135lbs. I and any boxing fan can agree to that. I don't applaud sugar coated fights and that is what you are sinking to by even making out this september 19th fight as a super fight for the p4p status...are you serious? Is Golden Boy serious? You are allowing the hype machines to actually strong arm you to believe this fight is actually going to be legitimate for Floyd because 24/7 will produce a masterpiece.

The only way I will even accept this as a legitimate fight is if Marquez actually wins. Yes, it's a double edge sword for Floyd...damn if he does damn if he doesn't but that is the route he choose by selecting this opponent. Because we don't know how Marquez will adjust to this weight and because of how he looked at lightweight Floyd believed he can fool the media and the fans again. But I along with all the so called haters out there refuse to blindly believe that ****. You might want to re-evaluate the view of this fight as well...but so be it I'm not trying to change your mind just allowing you to see the other side of the coin that GBP and Floyd won't allow you to see.

[FLY TY]

I know Im a little late but I just watched the Floyd-JMM Countdown. I still dont get how people arent hyping this fight. It has to again be the mass hate for Floyd. Everyone and there momma has JMM ranked as the #2 P4P guy in the sport and nearly every writer Ive seen, thought that JMM beat Pac in there last fight. I mean, if that scorecard goes to Pac then everyone has JMM as the #1 rated guy in the sport. Now he's fighting Floyd. How can you not get hyped about that? Im sick of clowns like Mangler who are always angry and say the same thing every time. Its always an angry resposne. Then he talks about how WW's should fight WW's and Floyd is too big for JMM. Alot of people say that. How does that make sense? I was talkin on here about Dirrell winning the Super 6 the other day and someone asked me how can I pick Dirrell when he hasnt done anything or beaten anyone. My response was that no one has done anything or beaten anyone until theyve done something or beat someone. Meaning, Floyd, Pac, Cotto, or whoever, all had to start somewhere. They all hadnt proven themselves until they proved themselves. That doesnt stop people from picking them ahead of time or saying that they will be great.

If you listen to guys like Mangler then boxing would be the worst sport in the world. What are you saying, that no one from one weight class can fight a guy from another? It makes no sense. It happeneds all the time but people only get upset when its Floyd. I mean flash back just a few fights ago. Everyone was saying that Oscar vs Pac at WW is a joke. They all said that the fight shouldnt happened and that Pac isnt no WW. After the Diaz fight everyone said that his best weight is still 130 and he should go back there but definatly nothing over LW. Now look at what happened. Sure you could say that Oscar was drained but that still doesnt take away from the fact that Pac looked very good at WW. He may not have looked like a true hardcore huge WW but he looked good at the weight. Then he goes down to 140 and destroys the best guy in 2 rounds. Now I just heard Mangler say that Pac shouldnt fight Cotto, he's a true 140 pounder. What? How did he get to be a true 140 pounder when everyone was just saying that he was a true 130 pounder or 135 at the most? How? Because he did it and proved himself. Why cant JMM do the same. He has to start somewhere. Now you have everyone picking Pac to beat the huge Cotto. This is the same Pac who everyone said had no business fighting Oscar and should go back to 130 but yet JMM cant have that shot and be takened seriously?

On the Countdown show you cant even see any difference between him & Floyd in size, except the inch height advantage. There bodies have the same thickness & width. I also find it super hyprocritical how everyone clowns Floyd for being a weak runner, with feather fist, and is straight defense but now everyone thinks he's too much of a huge monster to fight JMM? How does that make sense. People act like Floyd is the biggest ***** in the sport. He pot shots, runs, is defense first, and has the softest punch, but yet JMM cant be in the ring with him because its such a mismatch physicaly? Come on now. At the begining of the Countdown show they were basically going over JMM's resume and showing how he's been killing all the top guys. Do you guys know who JMM is? I dont get it. He's killing all these elite guys, argubaly beat Pac twice, but Pac can move up & JMM cant? How can this fight not be hyped up. MMA has crazy weight fights. Guys move up all the time to fight guys who are bigger and they win. The difference is that those fights are super hyped. Pac-Cotto is super hyped but Floyd isnt? JMM isnt even doing anything super special. It happeneds all the time. Pac just did it, Williams basically just did it, Shane did it against Oscar, Hopkins did it, and Floyd basically did it. Again, I remember when Floyd just beat Gatti at 140 and was talkin about fighting Winky who just killed Tito at 160 and no one downplayed the fight. When it didnt come off then everyone called Floyd a punk. Thats how you can prove its hate.

Williams just got skooled for 12 rounds against Quintana at WW and now is talking about fighting Hopkins at 165 and no one thinks its a joke. Back when Williams got skooled, you all wouldve clowned him. Now he proved himself and people want to see it. Why cant JMM do that and have the fight be legit? Dont give me this small man stuff either. Floyd only started 1 weight class bigger, Pac was coming into the ring bigger than Floyd when JMM was fighting him at lower weights, and Floyd has been the smallest guy in every division he's been in since he left SFW. This guy just iced Casamayor & Diaz. Thats why I so wish that Floyd wouldve waited and let JMM had 1 fight at 140. If he had done that then everyone would be looking at this differently because JMM is going to school nearly everyone at 140. Bradley was my guy who I was high on but he's looked so average & suspect in his last 2 fights. He's obviously not an average fighter but he's average on the elite level. He's like Clottey, he's missing something. He couldve easily had lost to Holt & Nate if they knew how to fight. Dont tell me that JMM cant hold his own against him. What if Floyd right now said that I want to go to MW to fight Williams. No one would clown the fight. Everyone would hype it. Thats a guy jumping 2 divisions. So what Williams came from WW. Didnt Floyd come from SFW? Why are those fights legit but this isnt? Its just because its Floyd. Thats it. Again, everyone was saying the same exact things about Pac. He's a true 130 pounder, he shouldnt move up, this fight is a joke, that fight is a joke, and now he's done it. JMM cant?

Floyd again is in a no win situation for no reason. Everyone has this guy ranked #2 and is fighting the former P4P #1 but this fight is being dismissed. I cant beleive it. This fight is amazing to me because not only is it 2 of the best and the 2 most skilled guys in the world but its just a different type of fight. You usually dont see guys like JMM, Pac, MAB, EM, fight guys like Floyd. Its so different & great which should add even more too it. You got guys who are historians like Burt Sugar who are hyped about it. Some writers who are fair have actually said that they would put Floyd #1 if he destroyed JMM because they think its a fair fight but everyone who hates him is clowning it. Yet Cotto who was coming into the ring at 157 pounds for all his SLW fights and looking huge at WW is fighting a guy in Pac who started fighting at 56 pounds but everyone loves that fight. Come on man. Stop letting your hate get in the way. Now all people talk about is sales and this or that. Who cares. These are great fights that have already been made. I dont care if no one buys the fight, that doesnt stop it from being a great legendary fight.

Were only an inch away from people talking about this fight like people are talking about Floyd vs Pac. It couldve easily had been Floyd vs JMM that everyone was talkin about if he gets those close nods that alot of people think he deserved. Bottom line, if youre not up for this one then you are not a boxing fan in any way. Even the hater Dougie Fishcer says that its a good fight and JMM could easily win. Watch if Floyd kills him, he'll take all the credit away from him despite saying the whole time that JMM would give him hell. Other writers have said that Floyd is crazy for fighting JMM in his 1st fight back. I hear alot of you calling him a tuneup. Even the Floyd fans because there embarrased. HOw can you call the #2 guy a tuneup. Is Floyd a tuneup for Williams at MW? Come on now. These guys are the best. Look at what little BJ Penn has done. This is nothing new yet this is the only fight that doesnt get takened seriously. This will be another big Floyd win that he gets no credit for in the history books. Sad. Again, JMM has destroyed some of the highest ranked guys in the sport. I mean abused them and skooled them. The 2 most fundemental & skilled fighters in the game cant get more respect?

that's all it is.....