Lennox Lewis and the KLITCHKO BROTHERS are top 3 heavyweights of all time

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Revealing post knn

LOL! Thanks poet.

Made my day and ended the thread at the same time.

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LOL! Thanks poet.

Made my day and ended the thread at the same time.

My pleasure

Poet

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[QUOTEvenerablefist;5606555]why do you call ali feather fisted when he clearly was not he knockout some fighter and had more than enough to keep his opponents off of him ,feather fisted is calderno and Malignaggi[/QUOTE]

Ali must be feather fisted. All he did was Ko Liston, Foreman, Shavers etc.

Pure BS.

This cat [OP] clearly doesnt know boxing. Valuev v Ali

LL and Klits are ok, LL is a ATG, but slow, mechanical fighters arent testing the speed and finese of Ali (who at 6'3, 220 odd wasnt small), and anyone who thinks these guys are beating Holmes, Liston etc is dillusional.

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why do you call ali feather fisted when he clearly was not he knockout some fighter and had more than enough to keep his opponents off of him ,feather fisted is calderno and Malignaggi

Ali must be feather fisted. All he did was Ko Liston, Foreman, Shavers etc.

Pure BS.

This cat [OP] clearly doesnt know boxing. Valuev v Ali

LL and Klits are ok, LL is a ATG, but slow, mechanical fighters arent testing the speed and finese of Ali (who at 6'3, 220 odd wasnt small), and anyone who thinks these guys are beating Holmes, Liston etc is dillusional.

EXTREMELY delusional.

Poet

[knn]

Ali must be feather fisted. All he did was Ko Liston, Foreman, Shavers etc.
Pure BS.

It's not BS. Because you are taking SINGLE fights to prove your point. I take the whole career to prove my point.

Even the greatest bums have usually a KO win against somenody else. Even chinachin'ed bum Larry McFadden (1 win, 34 losses, 29 losses by KO) has KOed someone. You HAVE TO check the whole record. Single fights matter too little.

Rather see it this way: If a featherfist like Ali could KO Liston then this shows you either 1) how overrated Liston was 2) or that he _DID_ make a dive against Ali because Liston feared retaliation from Ali's friends from the Nation of Islam. Islamic terrorism is a serious matter.

Please also note the de****able behavior of Ali when Liston lies on the floor. Ali simply cannot stop trashtalking. Ali is such a disgusting boxer. Can you imagine Foreman trashtalking over the head of Frazier? Or can you imagine Wlad trashtalking over the head of Byrd?

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I see better movement from Louis' rivals such as Billy Conn, Jersey Joe Walcott and Bob Pastor than I do from Sam Peter, Ruslan Chagaev, Tony Thompson...

Of course you do, because Conn is a (sub-)cruiser. As is Walcott and Pastor. What's next? Complaining that Lennox was slower than RJJ?

When Wladimir does it it's okay though. He doesn't exactly try to stand and trade with his opponents.

As opposed to Ali Wladimir DOES stand toe to toe.

So now you're going back on your words and say you were actually thinking of 60 year old Ali vs Valuev...

The first post of this thread doesn't mention "prime ali vs prime valuev". It only mentions "Ali vs Valuev". Big difference. 1) We don't know what prime Valuev looks like and 2) Ali vs Valuev is something like "Typical Ali vs Normal Valuev" or "Out of 10 fights Valuev wins 8 times". Big difference.

You were the one who brought up Valuev beating Ali in the first place.

No, I wasn't. Reread the thread.

Show me a recent fight with this kind of punch output in the 12th and final round

That output is nothing spectacular. Especially since there's a lot of clinching going on and a lot of misses. That the fight reached the 12th round is already a failure. No wonder that Ali has such a low KOratio: He clowns around in the first 10 rounds and then starts some action in the 12th. Moreover I would not have to look for a heavyweight fight but for a cruiser fight to compare Ali vs Norton. Someone like Norton doesn't fight as a heavy nowadays.

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ya know im really surprised.... i went through the fight two pages of this **** thread and seen that vinny paz had'nt visited yet..... i hope he eventually came

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A few other names I would put before in that list of yours Foreman, Tyson, Holmes, Patterson, Norton, I could go on and on before I ever get to Vitali's name Lefty

What is Patterson doing in that list? He was a (sub-)cruiser. What is Norton doing there - How many world titles did he win? How can you put these guys in a heavyweight toplist before Vitali Klitschko?